Notable is that they remove organs before actual death (however it is defined by medical community) to avoid organ “spoilage”
Hopefully the "patient" was already brain-dead?
Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says
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#33So China infringes on human rights, in other news "water is wet". Not really newsworthy. I would be shocked if it was Iceland or Norway doing that. As much as we hate hearing about it, only the Chinese people have the power to make changes to this regime. Having met many Chinese students abroad, I'd say they are OK with this happening. Either they are apathic, or supportive of their totalitarian regime.
> only the Chinese people have the power to make changes to this regime What makes you think they have any power at all? This is not what history teaches us about totalitarian regimes.
> What makes you think they have any power at all
I would say it's also not clear that they want it.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
Are you volunteering?
Several western countries are already using opt out for organ donation rather than opt in, as many countries have overly long wait times and people die waiting for a liver or lungs etc
What unlike the US or China, many countries just don't have anymore are death sentences, so it is not really that much of a discussion to kill prisoners and then harvest their organs, because these countries would just not kill people like that
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#36Why do people do this?
for the same reason that some people kill other people putting them on electric chairs...
they are violent savages.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
> only the Chinese people have the power to make changes to this regime What makes you think they have any power at all? This is not what history teaches us about totalitarian regimes.
> What makes you think they have any power at all I would say it's also not clear that they want it.
That's how totalitarian regimes work: voicing dissent is dangerous. See other comment (not mine).
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#38Why do people do this?
If you’re going to be killing people anyway it’s easy to start thinking that their organs shouldn’t go to waste, of course this is starting you on a slippery slope that’s better not even to start on
This is of course fallacious because waste is inherent to criminal punishment - you're literally inflicting something undesirable on someone, at a cost to yourself. Making sure that the costs of criminal punishment are shared helps keep every involved party honest. This is also an argument against things like privatized prisons and prison slavery in the U.S. If you're going to enslave prison inmates at all (and the U.S. Constitution allows this, so it does presently happen) it should be strictly to their own long-term benefit in their future capacity as free, law-abiding citizens.
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#39The biggest mistake western democracies have made is to trade with dictatorships. Enriching them has not encouraged them to become progressive, it has only made them more powerful. We have sown the seeds of our own destruction through our complicity.
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#40Why do people do this?
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
So I was about to write something flippant in opposition about it possibly being the reverse, the many serving the few (powerful), but since I felt I don't really know what I'm talking about I googled.
I found an interesting document authored by the "German Institute for International and Security Affairs" [0] (A semi-official organization with close links to the federal government, it advises the Bundestag (the German parliament) and the federal government on foreign and security policy issues).
The document is titled "Xi Jinping Thought on the Rule of Law" [1] and describes Chinese goals for developing the rule of law in China over the next decade. I found it very interesting and IMO relevant to the discussion, to see where they want to go, even if it's not outright on topic.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Institute_for_Internati...