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Ask HN: Did you change jobs during the Great Reshuffling and regret it?

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Re: Ask HN: Did you change jobs during the Great Reshuffling and regret it?

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Post by willcipriano »

sofixa wrote: post #44
barfcity wrote: post #31

I can't help but think that this post is astroturfing by a company that keeps losing its employees due to better conditions elsewhere. The thought of feeling guilty for an employer is preposterous to me.

Not necessarily employer, but you can easily feel guilty for a team. I did when i left a few months ago because i knew i was a valuable contributor, there was lots of stuff going on and that it'd take a long time for me to be replaced, leaving the people I've worked with for years, and whom i liked, under extra pressure.

Certainly they divided up your salary among them until they can find a suitable replacement.

If they only divided up the work I don't see a good reason to feel pressured.

Re: Ask HN: Did you change jobs during the Great Reshuffling and regret it?

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Post by chrismcb »

Keep in mind the average job length of a programmer is about four years. This was true before covid. People change jobs a lot. For lots of reasons, money being one. If you were happy you should have stayed. Unless it was a significant bump in salary it shorter commute it more vacation or something you really wanted to do Other than perhaps a pause at the beginning of the pandemic and assume people leading to work remotely, there isn't much difference about the "great reshuffling" than before

Re: Ask HN: Did you change jobs during the Great Reshuffling and regret it?

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Post by mgarfias »

Yup. Left an “okay” position in April 2021. New place started out fine and then went straight to the shitter.

New bossman was toxic af.

Decided I’d rather commute into an office that work for thst dickhead anymore. Of course, the RTO isn’t happening for a few months but the new shop is 1000000000000x better

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Post by bestouff »

toyg wrote: post #17
mwint wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are you that utilities tripled?

Likely UK or Europe. We've been hit by the Ukraine situation harder than elsewhere, because Putin started hoarding gas last year to prepare for the Ukraine campaign.

I didn't see much of a trouble in France - yet. It's probably UK because of, you know, that little smart Brexit thing.

Re: Ask HN: Did you change jobs during the Great Reshuffling and regret it?

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Post by lordnacho »

I'd feel bad if I thought I was screwing people by leaving. But companies aren't people, they're a fictional entity that we give people-like qualities. We do so in order to benefit real people. Often that's forgotten and we get a mix of companies being seen as evil when actually it's the people in charge, or people taking advantage of the company, when in fact that is what a company is for.

One of my attempts at a life rule is to moderate my cynicism according to how cynically others are playing the game. If I see the managers in charge are pressing the line between what's right and what's legal, I will do so too when dealing with them. If I see someone who is more concerned about what's right than what's profitable, I will also relax a little and be a bit generous.

Re: Ask HN: Did you change jobs during the Great Reshuffling and regret it?

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Post by burntoutfire »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #14

If you like the new job then you have nothing to worry about. Forget the “traitor” thing entirely. It’s just business. There has been a huge uptick of “I hate my new job what should I do?” posts in an advice/mentoring community I’m part of. The common theme in the posts is people who had quite comfortable positions at their previous employer but maybe didn’t realize it at the time. They went out and got higher paying…

> The common theme in the posts is people who had quite comfortable positions at their previous employer but maybe didn’t realize it at the time. They went out and got higher paying jobs at companies that were desperately in need of engineers where they tend to have higher wages, shorter interviews to get people in the door. When the new job demands higher performance commensurate with the higher compensation and the company want everyone performing at a high level, it comes as a shock to the system to people who were accustomed to lax companies with lax delivery schedules.

That's me! The new company lured me in with a lot of money, but they were a dysfunctional mess (nobody even knew what the architecture is...). I quit after two months.

Re: Ask HN: Did you change jobs during the Great Reshuffling and regret it?

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Post by ldoughty »

toyg wrote: post #11
rantallion wrote: post #2

> I do not think that companies deserve to be screwed by all this turnover Perhaps companies should better look after their employees and give them a reason not to leave. Many of us are fed up of being underpaid and undervalued. Add to that the increasing demands to return to an office and it's not hard to see why we're jumping ship to work for businesses that pay better and offer remote working arrangements. I chang…

> a 2-4% raise a year if I was lucky (which we all know is a pay cut in disguise when you consider inflation) Well, when inflation was around 2-3%, it was alright: one could more or less keep up, without having to change. But this year inflation skyrocketed and now that's definitely not good enough.

A raise keeping up with inflation says to employees that you do not believe they are any more valuable this year than they were last.

Most other companies would view e.g. 7 years progressing experience worth more than 4 years.. or 5 years with AWS experience is better than 2..

So I would argue it is not alright, unless it was the anomaly, not the expectation...

Re: Ask HN: Did you change jobs during the Great Reshuffling and regret it?

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Post by toyg »

bestouff wrote: post #56
toyg wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likely UK or Europe. We've been hit by the Ukraine situation harder than elsewhere, because Putin started hoarding gas last year to prepare for the Ukraine campaign.

I didn't see much of a trouble in France - yet. It's probably UK because of, you know, that little smart Brexit thing.

You have cheap nuclear. Countries without that, like Italy, are seeing similarly high inflation rates on basic utilities.

We are definitely less protected towards this sort of event because of Brexit, but this is bigger than that.

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