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Re: Jewish problems

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Post by shn »

cheez wrote: post #21

Can someone please explain to me what the hell is the problem people have with Jews? The only thing I can tell is maybe they're disproportionately financially successful? I guess that's a problem...

Probably they are gaining power/wealth not proportional to their numbers in the society they live in. That happens easily when a close knit society works hard while trading, doing business among themselves (e.g. buying goods and services from in-group rather than outside when they can) as well as favor community members over others in the larger society. This probably creates hatred of the majority towards Jewish people and that hatred directed more at times of distress like economic hardship or wars. I heard today that State of Alabama passed an immigration law recently that target immigrants. Probably people in Alabama do not want immigrants these days, since they are seen "stealing" jobs while jobs in US has been vanishing since 2008 economic crisis.

Re: Jewish problems

#52

Post by cperciva »

adgar wrote: post #32
saucerful wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These were for university. This sort of addresses your point: Now, after thirty years, these problems seem easier. Mostly, this is because the ideas of how to solve these problems have spread and are now a part of the standard set of ideas. Thirty years ago these problems were harder to solve and, in addition, the students were given these problems one after another until they failed one of them, at which point they…

I agree that the problems have gotten much simpler - several of these remind me a lot of the difficulty I saw on the AIME back in 10th-12th grade. I mean, that's still pretty advanced relatively speaking, but certainly doable by tens of thousands of high school aged students each year. And then there's two levels of competition past that I never made it to... just 1... damn... question... short...

And then there's two levels of competition past that I never made it to... just 1... damn... question... short...

I got a perfect score on the AIME in 1998, but they didn't let Canadians write the USAMO back then. :-(

Re: Jewish problems

#53

Post by reissbaker »

microarchitect wrote: post #42
wtracy wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More so than almost any other culture, Jews have been consistently able to maintain their own cultural identity even when they are in the demographic minority or displaced abroad. A lot of this is due to their willingness to close themselves off from the surrounding population and maintain their own, separate, religious and social structures. So, from the outside, the local population sees a group of foreigners broug…

Very interesting. Muslim and Hindu communities in the West are also trying to be insular and maintain their own cultural identities, but I guess they're not so effective because they don't have the financial success backing them up that the Jews have. It's a lot harder to deride someone when you know they're making way more money than you, I suppose. those people are up to something I don't mean this in any negative…

Conflating being Jewish with being upper-caste Indian is probably going (way) too far. Note that you're responding to an article that points to systematic historical Russian discrimination against Jews, that the posters above you have pointed out systematic historical American discrimination against Jews, and I think that systematic European discrimination against Jews doesn't need to be reiterated. In Muslim countries, Jews historically have been legally considered second-class citizens.

Feel free to conflate Jews with successful former lower caste Indians, though.

Re: Jewish problems

#54

Post by [deleted] »

cheez wrote: post #21

Can someone please explain to me what the hell is the problem people have with Jews? The only thing I can tell is maybe they're disproportionately financially successful? I guess that's a problem...

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Re: Jewish problems

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Post by [deleted] »

tkahn6 wrote: post #45
TheDroids wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably has a lot to do with things like AIPAC (the largest lobby in the US) and Zionism. I'm guessing this is just the tip of the iceberg though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lobby_in_the_United_Stat...

Except that Zionism has only existed as a coherent and codified ideology since 1896 and AIPAC has only existed since 1963. In fact Herzl published Der Judenstaat as a response to what he witnessed covering the Dreyfus Affair as a journalist.

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Re: Jewish problems

#56

Post by pavpanchekha »

adrianwaj wrote: post #49

I'd pack my bags and go so quickly, so whose loss would be it be? Then as a non-Jew, I think I'd do the same.

Haha, you think it was that easy to emigrate from the USSR, especially for Jewish men and women? There's a reason people didn't, and it isn't because everyone thought they were better off staying.

Re: Jewish problems

#57

Post by adrianwaj »

alecbenzer wrote: post #35
cheez wrote: post #21

Can someone please explain to me what the hell is the problem people have with Jews? The only thing I can tell is maybe they're disproportionately financially successful? I guess that's a problem...

I've also always wondered why a specific group has been so apparently consistently persecuted against for so long. It seems like it's been too long of a time period for the hate to simply have been passed on from generation to generation.

Very good observation. I think it's metaphysical, unseen.

I found this interesting, if not alarming.

EXPOSE: The Vatican is Cozying Up to Iran's Ahmadinejad http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/1070...

Re: Jewish problems

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Post by adrianwaj »

pavpanchekha wrote: post #56
adrianwaj wrote: post #49

I'd pack my bags and go so quickly, so whose loss would be it be? Then as a non-Jew, I think I'd do the same.

Haha, you think it was that easy to emigrate from the USSR, especially for Jewish men and women? There's a reason people didn't, and it isn't because everyone thought they were better off staying.

I would've made it out. That's what I believe.

Re: Jewish problems

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Post by TheDroids »

tkahn6 wrote: post #45
TheDroids wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably has a lot to do with things like AIPAC (the largest lobby in the US) and Zionism. I'm guessing this is just the tip of the iceberg though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lobby_in_the_United_Stat...

Except that Zionism has only existed as a coherent and codified ideology since 1896 and AIPAC has only existed since 1963. In fact Herzl published Der Judenstaat as a response to what he witnessed covering the Dreyfus Affair as a journalist.

Except, er, so since AIPAC has only be around since 1963 and the concept of Zionism over 100 years, that couldn't possibly be a reason why people have a problem with Jews? shrugs

Re: Jewish problems

#60

Post by TheDroids »

TheDroids wrote: post #43
cheez wrote: post #21

Can someone please explain to me what the hell is the problem people have with Jews? The only thing I can tell is maybe they're disproportionately financially successful? I guess that's a problem...

Probably has a lot to do with things like AIPAC (the largest lobby in the US) and Zionism. I'm guessing this is just the tip of the iceberg though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lobby_in_the_United_Stat...

Wow, I watched myself go from +3 to now -3

Either I made some sense (pointing out that AIPAC or Zionism could be a reason for hatred) or these guys just showed up in the thread:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Internet_Defense_Force

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League

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