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U.S. Government Compels Google To Hand Over Wikileaks Volunteer's Gmail Data

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Re: U.S. Government Compels Google To Hand Over Wikileaks Volunteer's Gmail Data

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A good (but already known) reason to leave gmail.

This only makes sense if you get a server at an off-shore host for mail, instead of using major email providers.

You speak of "off-shore" as though it represents some magically lawless region. As useful as that might be for these purposes, it doesn't exist. Your server will exist in some country. That country will have laws; those laws may or may not favor you. That country may or may not wish to refuse a US court order. Most countries are on fairly good terms with the US, and unlikely to say "no" to a request for evidence based on what looks like a standard legal investigation. Many of the countries not on good terms with the US rank pretty high on the list of places not well known for respecting rights, least of all privacy. And on top of all that, keeping a server outside the US does not render you personally immune to a US warrant if you remain in the US.

(Most of the above applies for s/US/$country/g as well.)

You're likely better off hosting a mail server here in the US, not actually storing any mail on it, downloading the mail immediately to a local mail store on an encrypted disk, and using encrypted email to protect new mails. That still won't render you immune to prosecution, but you might consider the consequences of refusing to decrypt a server preferable to the consequences of revealing the contents of your email. Or not.

Re: U.S. Government Compels Google To Hand Over Wikileaks Volunteer's Gmail Data

#22
The headline is a little disingenuous (technically correct, yes...) - especially if thats all anyone ever reads. Google didn't hand this over on a whim, rather:

  The contacts list and IP address data of Jacob 
  Appelbaum, a WikiLeaks volunteer and developer 
  for Tor was given to the U.S. government after 
  they requested it using a secret court order 
  enabled by a controversial 1986 law called the 
  Electronic Communications Privacy Act, according 
  to the Wall Street Journal. The law allows the 
  government to demand information from ISPs not
  only without a warrant, but without ever
  notifying the user.
The problem/fault/remedy lies with the US gov, not so much the compelled company in this case.

Re: U.S. Government Compels Google To Hand Over Wikileaks Volunteer's Gmail Data

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you say "physically destroy" do not use any form or anything that could be spun as a incinderary, explosive, or projectile device. The laws on those type of things will put you in prison for a long time.

How would one go about safely destroying multiple hard-disks anyway. Closest thing I can think of is a small compactor with the disks inside of it.

You're much better off just using full-disk encryption; throwing away the key effectively destroys all the data. You do need to make sure you actually erase all traces of the key (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Cold_boot_att...), but you need not worry about physically destroying the disks.

Re: U.S. Government Compels Google To Hand Over Wikileaks Volunteer's Gmail Data

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post #22

The headline is a little disingenuous (technically correct, yes...) - especially if thats all anyone ever reads. Google didn't hand this over on a whim, rather: The contacts list and IP address data of Jacob Appelbaum, a WikiLeaks volunteer and developer for Tor was given to the U.S. government after they requested it using a secret court order enabled by a controversial 1986 law called the Electronic Communications…

You wanted them to put that in the headline?

Re: U.S. Government Compels Google To Hand Over Wikileaks Volunteer's Gmail Data

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post #25
post #22

The headline is a little disingenuous (technically correct, yes...) - especially if thats all anyone ever reads. Google didn't hand this over on a whim, rather: The contacts list and IP address data of Jacob Appelbaum, a WikiLeaks volunteer and developer for Tor was given to the U.S. government after they requested it using a secret court order enabled by a controversial 1986 law called the Electronic Communications…

You wanted them to put that in the headline?

I doubt donohoe wanted to put that in the headline, I think he is suggesting the tone of the headline doesn't accurately portray what happened.

Re: U.S. Government Compels Google To Hand Over Wikileaks Volunteer's Gmail Data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This only makes sense if you get a server at an off-shore host for mail, instead of using major email providers.

You speak of "off-shore" as though it represents some magically lawless region. As useful as that might be for these purposes, it doesn't exist. Your server will exist in some country. That country will have laws; those laws may or may not favor you. That country may or may not wish to refuse a US court order. Most countries are on fairly good terms with the US, and unlikely to say "no" to a request for evidence base…

I'm not a lawyer but I believe it would be very difficult for an FBI prosecutor to raise a case to international status and get a foreign judge to issue a subpoena. Most countries are very protective of spying on their citizens or corporations.

I think the main danger of using a foreign host would be that the NSA has more spying leeway with international traffic so they probably will have already slurped and archived your mail off of the wire without needing to ask your mail host. SSL is supposed to help with that but I have my doubts that that stops the NSA if they want to target you.

Re: U.S. Government Compels Google To Hand Over Wikileaks Volunteer's Gmail Data

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post #2

A good (but already known) reason to leave gmail.

How is it a gmail only problem? The government got a court order to force them, Google didn't hand it over willingly. It's the government who is at fault here and the shitty laws that enable it.

Right, it is a good reason for leaving all US services, just singling out gmail would be unfair. Too bad so many major ones are hosted in the US (or at least by US companies). We really need a less centralized internet... Otherwise, when the US turns into a loony military dictatorship it takes us all with it.

Re: U.S. Government Compels Google To Hand Over Wikileaks Volunteer's Gmail Data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This only makes sense if you get a server at an off-shore host for mail, instead of using major email providers.

You speak of "off-shore" as though it represents some magically lawless region. As useful as that might be for these purposes, it doesn't exist. Your server will exist in some country. That country will have laws; those laws may or may not favor you. That country may or may not wish to refuse a US court order. Most countries are on fairly good terms with the US, and unlikely to say "no" to a request for evidence base…

Or do the above, and then delete the mail. Not with the intention of destroying evidence of course, but because your hard disk can only store 1024 megabytes and you want to save disk space.
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