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Re: Back to India

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Post by chrischen »

multjoy wrote: post #235
qiskit wrote: post #232

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> This is great to hear about India. It is and I hope india is able to develop. > The more developed and economically successful the world’s largest democracy is, the better for the world in general. Who cares whether india is a democracy or not? It's so odd people parrot the propaganda so religiously. Every post about india inevitably mentions something about india being the largest democracy. Who cares? If india wa…

>Who cares whether india is a democracy or not? Anybody who wants to do business. Democracies have stable, predictable rule of law. Do you want to invest in a country where a dictator could simply decide that he is going take your assets?

Democracy on paper is not democracy in practice, just like China isn’t a real communist society.

The grandparent’s point was that Russia is technically a democracy and look how it’s doing. If there’s enough corruption is it really still a democracy? And if it isn’t, why does it matter if India is a paper democracy or not when considering whether it needs our support.

Re: Back to India

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Post by chrischen »

ra7 wrote: post #237
krzyk wrote: post #227

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It will be hard because India likes to buy from Russia recently and doesn't see a problem with invasion.

Huh? They’ve repeatedly said they don’t support violence and has offered to mediate between Russia and Ukraine. Just because they’re looking out for their economic needs — which are wildly different than developed nations — doesn’t mean they support the invasion.

If you asked the Russians they’d probably also tell you they don’t support the violence.

Re: Back to India

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Post by rayiner »

multjoy wrote: post #235
qiskit wrote: post #232

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> This is great to hear about India. It is and I hope india is able to develop. > The more developed and economically successful the world’s largest democracy is, the better for the world in general. Who cares whether india is a democracy or not? It's so odd people parrot the propaganda so religiously. Every post about india inevitably mentions something about india being the largest democracy. Who cares? If india wa…

>Who cares whether india is a democracy or not? Anybody who wants to do business. Democracies have stable, predictable rule of law. Do you want to invest in a country where a dictator could simply decide that he is going take your assets?

Rule of law is largely orthogonal to democracy. England had rule of law long before it was a democracy.

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Post by mongol »

ra7 wrote: post #237
krzyk wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will be hard because India likes to buy from Russia recently and doesn't see a problem with invasion.

Huh? They’ve repeatedly said they don’t support violence and has offered to mediate between Russia and Ukraine. Just because they’re looking out for their economic needs — which are wildly different than developed nations — doesn’t mean they support the invasion.

If they don't support it, they have had plenty of opportunities to voice against it. But they have abstained. It is really disappointing.

Re: Back to India

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Post by chrischen »

krzyk wrote: post #227
SkyMarshal wrote: post #210

> the insane opportunities available in India now [3]. > India’s rising startup and tech wave > Massive switch from wealth accumulation mode to wealth creation mode. > And the amount of VC funding in India combined with the startup ecosystem’s energy here is absolute fire > The collective risk appetite has never been higher. > The step after the ‘American dream’ is the ‘Indian dream’. This is great to hear about Indi…

It will be hard because India likes to buy from Russia recently and doesn't see a problem with invasion.

The real geopolitics behind this is that Russia is trying to curb NATO influence. So this war is really about hurting NATO. A Russian loss helps NATO and a victory hurts NATO, but the war can be ended if either side makes the requisite concessions. But for unaffiliated parties they don’t necessarily take a pro-NATO stance so anti-war or anti-violence simply means “somebody please give in” rather than “NATO please win.” Asking India, or even China for this matter, to make sacrifices for the benefit of NATO is an unrealistic position to take.

Re: Back to India

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Post by qiskit »

multjoy wrote: post #235
qiskit wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is great to hear about India. It is and I hope india is able to develop. > The more developed and economically successful the world’s largest democracy is, the better for the world in general. Who cares whether india is a democracy or not? It's so odd people parrot the propaganda so religiously. Every post about india inevitably mentions something about india being the largest democracy. Who cares? If india wa…

>Who cares whether india is a democracy or not? Anybody who wants to do business. Democracies have stable, predictable rule of law. Do you want to invest in a country where a dictator could simply decide that he is going take your assets?

> Democracies have stable, predictable rule of law.

Really? Russia? Venezuela? They are democracies. Also, do you realize that many of the world's poorest and unstable countries are democracies? India has been a democracy for nearly 80 years. Nobody wants to do business with them. Everyone wants to do business with china. Go figure.

> Do you want to invest in a country where a dictator could simply decide that he is going take your assets?

You mean like how britain, EU, etc are taking russia's assets? Or how we stole japanese american assets during ww2? Or mexican american assets in the 1930s. Or the native american's lands since the very beginning?

There's nothing inherently good, stable or lawful about democracies. If you didn't have blinders on, you'd be shocked at how terrible democracies have been. The country with the most poverty in the world is a democracy - india. The countries that have waged the most wars around the world in the past 20 years have been democracies - US, Russia, EU, etc. The countries that have committed the greatest genocides have been democracies.

What a nation needs is competent leaders, not democracies. Instead of blinding accepting propaganda, just look at the reality.

Re: Back to India

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Post by pm90 »

ido wrote: post #141
lotsofpulp wrote: post #100

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If I am okay with the way the other 95% live around the world, I do not see any reason I would be bothered by the way the other 95% have to live within an arbitrarily delineated portion of the world.

Ideologically yes, but practically & subjectively it doesn't feel that way in large Indian cities (anecdotal, I visited India for 2 months years ago). Walking through the center of Delhi (and many other large Indian cities) you see the kind of poverty you never encounter first-hand in developed-world cities like those in Western Europe, North America, Japan, Singapore, etc. It was definitely a shock for me at first &…

> you see the kind of poverty you never encounter first-hand in developed-world cities like those in Western Europe, North America, Japan, Singapore, etc.

This is unfortunately very true. Living in most Indian cities requires one to build a character that can withstand living amidst such destitution. Millions of people do it everyday though. You kind of have to mentally block it out.

Re: Back to India

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Post by srvmshr »

hinoki wrote: post #79
srvmshr wrote: post #65

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Except 4 & 5, the first few cannot be said "subjectively better". This is your personal opinion, not the "statistically true" opinion. >Climate Definitely hotter in most (80%) of India, from late February to mid-October. US states enjoys more cloudless sunny weather per annum. >Biodiversity: India is 7th largest country with lots of great places to visit. Mountains, deserts, beaches, jungles, plains [...] US is almos…

I’ll have to nitpick your last point. Unless you’re going to a farmer’s market, the quality of fruit and vegetables in America is abysmal. Watery hard fruit, etc. You can get the same terrible strawberries all year round if you want though. I’ve never been to India, but I assume the situation is better, at least based on how people rave about mangoes.

Its a hit or miss in India. It isn't that the quality is vastly superior. You still get a produce from far away - and the fish is usually delivered on ice slab. The soil isn't that arable as you might expect, as the biggest chunk is loamy & alluvial soil of North India is exclusively wheat & sugarcane. Monsanto despite all its evils does a good job in Midwest. No similar equivalent in India unfortunately. Plus mechanisation rate is low because of land fragmentation. These are collective factors that make yield (qual + quant) a variable thing.

My dad grew his own vegetables. The only guaranteed fresh ones I ate :) Fun fact: Best mangoes generally are from Philippines. The Cebuano variety. Alfonso is mighty overrated.

Re: Back to India

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Post by ra7 »

mongol wrote: post #244
ra7 wrote: post #237

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Huh? They’ve repeatedly said they don’t support violence and has offered to mediate between Russia and Ukraine. Just because they’re looking out for their economic needs — which are wildly different than developed nations — doesn’t mean they support the invasion.

If they don't support it, they have had plenty of opportunities to voice against it. But they have abstained. It is really disappointing.

Yes, but that doesn’t come close to supporting the war. On the other hand, they’ve provided considerable humanitarian assistance to Ukraine. For better or worse, that’s just the situation — economic and geopolitical — India is in. They don’t have the luxury of looking at things black and white like most western nations.
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