This is what annoys me about the US COVID protesters. We really didn’t have lockdowns in the US. A lockdown is when you have curfews, can’t go out, can’t travel at all, etc. I saw little of that in the US and what was there was sparsely enforced to the point of being not much more than a suggestion.
Perhaps if you had invested your life savings into a business, which was then forced to be shut down, you would have more sympathy.
Totally agree. Lots of lives were devastated over these “not serious lockdowns”. Let’s not even talk about the effects of school closures…
Meanwhile pro-restriction people were constantly saying “if we’d only had a REAL lockdown like China, this would all be over by now!” I guess you guys don’t really use that argument anymore, huh?
And, ironically, it is effectively over in places with a non strict lockdown policy. Once omicron became dominant it was over, it’s so infectious it’s pointless to lock down. Omicron was/is the ultimate vaccine in the US at least.
Yep, exactly. It’s been basically over in Arizona and Florida for more than a year, in NYC since Omicron, in Germany it probably will be after the present wave, and in Australia and China it may never be.
The duration of Covid-related disruptions depends almost entirely on how much a society chooses to sacrifice to prevent spread.
> This is the biggest, richest, most international city of China and people are starving, without medicine, and without freedom. Ouch. Seems like a really bad situation.
Yeah if you completely shut down private services there, then there's no way the government has the resources to help everyone. They'll end up killing and traumatizing far more people than they're saving from covid. Rather than forcing everyone to get a vaccine they do this--I mean if you're going to be a totalitarian system at least do it logically. Just goes to show you how shit the CCP logic is.
It gives more weight to Americans who opposed lockdowns too. This is the slippery slope argument coming to life, if you took lockdown to the extreme, and I think that was the biggest fear of those who opposed lockdowns.
The article provides no direct evidence of people starving, only that 'We cannot freely choose our recipes'. There is also a picture of 3 fresh fish!
One assumes he acquired the fish with the exchange of money, however some occupations actually still require your physical presence outside your bedroom. Do you see the catch-22? Given the photo of food rations (unlikely to support an adult for a day) the implication is there is no financial support for Shanghai residents, but the author doesn't say.
I appreciate your insistence on evidence of starvation. Death from starvation generally requires 30 - 70 days without food, depending on starting weight, body fat, activity levels, etc. Shanghai has been under lockdown for 12 days. It is unlikely you will find any real evidence of starvation. More interesting to me are the claims that food is scarce, grocery orders are unreliable, the government has not provided suff…
>Death from starvation generally requires 30 - 70 days without food (Snip) > It is unlikely you will find any real evidence of starvation Whoa there - how’d you manage to move those goalposts so quickly? Starvation is a condition - death is not a required aspect of that condition. Starvation has long been considered inhumane, and a form of torture - it’s not OK all of a sudden just because you don’t have proof someon…
Right, I read your parent comment and think, "Well, we're 12 of 30 days in". Obviously people are going to fight back, they'd have nothing to lose but still enough energy left to act. The closer you get to 30 days, the dimmer the probability becomes.
Because Chinese propaganda has always tried to shift blame away from the cccp. cccp propaganda continually pushed the message that corona infections were due to contaminated foreign goods (i.e. Not due to the cccp's bad healthcare policies). So to keep in line with propaganda instead of vaccinating the elderly and vulnerable they focused their efforts on vaccinating factory/Dock workers and other that handle a lot of…
I think you mixed up your authoritarian abbreviations a bit there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS#Containment > The World Health Organization declared severe acute respiratory syndrome contained on 5 July 2003. The containment was achieved through successful public health measures. In the following months, four SARS cases were reported in China between December 2003 and January 2004. > While SARS-CoV-1 probably persists as a potential zoonotic threat in its original animal reser…
This line is expected to become endemic. China may have to stomach the current variants. It's not that relevant, but the coronavirus family is always going to reappear as it stands. I hope they recognize when it's no longer the same virus or same threat. Scientists proved that even in the perfect quarantine of Antarctica, coronavirus can reappear after months. This and many other lessons don't seem to get much attent…
Yes, SARS #2 has significant differences, and at this point there’s no putting the genie back in the bottle.
I’m just answering:
> Has there ever been a recorded instance of eliminating a respiratory infection before?
That answer being a resounding “yes, and our best example of doing so is even a coronavirus”.
Even worse, they do lockdown in place and without warning. So if you were at work, and your dog was home, then your dog would stave alone. I really don't understand why they don't at least let people stuck at work go home, really crazy situation. Source: Chinese gf's dad is in lockdown at his work, while mom in lockdown at home.
Is gf's dad work in another city or does the lockdown in place prevent movement from any buildings to get back home even if close apart?