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Re: Back to India

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Post by d3nj4l »

sid-ant wrote: post #25
hans1729 wrote: post #5

I'd imagine moving back to India after being successful in the US gives you lots of leverage and status, in the sense of being a big fish in a smaller pool (what a beautiful irony, thinking of India of all places as the smaller pool, heh). But lets be real, isn't the quality of life much worse? I've never been there (or in the US, for that matter), but I'd imagine that things like infrastructure are far worse in Indi…

That's correct. I live in Bangalore, India and there are a lot more issues than just quality of life. 1. Since, I am from North India, Bangalore treats us like foreigners i.e. if you don't speak the native language, you will be at a significant disadvantage when requiring the assistance of police. 2. Rather, the police has been known to discriminate against `outsiders`. You can even head over to r/bangalore to know m…

Others have pointed it out but I've got to reiterate: if you don't like Bangalore, just go to another city? There's thriving tech scenes in Hyderabad, Pune and Gurgaon, and in none of those cities are North Indians unwelcome. I can also personally vouch for fun out of work activities in Hyderabad and Gurgaon.

(And while I don't mean to deny your personal experience, I've never faced any trouble in Bangalore despite not being a Kannadiga.)

Re: Back to India

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Post by pm90 »

shasts wrote: post #148
nindalf wrote: post #57

A friend of mine sent me a link to this article and said > Yugal Raj Jain. He’ll be fine in India. Indians will understand what my friend meant by that.

A lot of heated discussion on this thread! I don't have much to add other than already said before. I would like to add an anecdote though. We have been considering going back and discussed this with some of the folks who came to Germany recently, where we live. They think we are crazy to go back now, as a Muslim. I can see tons of new folks come to Germany now, many of them Dalits and Muslims on blue card work permi…

I am so sorry to hear that and that India has become so right wing. It’s absolutely disgusting that you have to be in this situation: your Nation of birth is yours just as much as anyone else’s. Considering all the secular bs that they teach in school, this makes me really sad and disappointed.

Re: Back to India

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Post by stjohnswarts »

mahkeiro wrote: post #64
nindalf wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the right answer. People who continue to say “expat” will justify it by saying “oh, they don’t plan to stay in the country long term”. But you can’t possibly know what a persons long term plans are just by looking at them. You can’t even tell with certainty if they came from a poor country or a rich one. All you can see is their skin colour. That’s what people base the “expat” tag on. Sincerely, an immigrant.

There are many cases where “expat" are sent to a different country by their company. They are there for a couple of years depending on the projects. I don't see how they can be called immigrant, and they certainly don't see themselves as such.

Exactly, I think a lot of people just like to virtue signal and get angry at the term. I'm pretty neutral on it myself. Expats are people who leave their country but still consider themselves as wholy citizens of that country, immmigrants leave their country and want to build a new life in the new country and often keep their culture, but also adopt that of the new country; expats don't really want to do that.

Re: Back to India

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Post by [deleted] »

rayiner wrote: post #165
princevegeta89 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it was the undisputed no. 1 in 1989 because it already had a surge of immigrants by then. Heck, America was made by immigrants if it comes to that. I'm not saying it needs me, but generally standing strong at the top has its cost - to have a rock solid administration and to keep bringing the cream of the world to work for them. There couldn't have been such a boost possible otherwise.

> I guess it was the undisputed no. 1 in 1989 because it already had a surge of immigrants by then. Heck, America was made by immigrants if it comes to that. Those immigrants were the poorest and least educated ones Europe and Asia had to offer. I’m just saying it’s presumptuous to say America “needs” the educated elite from other countries.

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Re: Back to India

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Post by dendriti »

rayiner wrote: post #120
princevegeta89 wrote: post #74

Fuck the H1b visa. Yes I understand that we have created a huge GC backlog by immigrating here in large numbers but that doesn't mean we should be dragged around like a toy. This is sadly the impression I've formed these days. Our entire lives here revolve around that visa and we could basically be holding on to it for 30 to 50 years before we can get a GC lol. In the meantime, maintaining our driver's licenses, bein…

Americans want H1Bs to be temporary workers who go back home, not immigrate permanently. That’s why the statute has “temporary” plastered all over it and has since it was written in the 1950s. That’s why the latest Democrat-backed reform bill still has temporary prominently right in the title of the Act: > To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to reform and reduce fraud and abuse in certain visa programs for a…

You are really complaining about people "making presumptions" downthread, and then claiming to speak for literally all Americans in this one?

Re: Back to India

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Post by mohanmcgeek »

ramraj07 wrote: post #112
arcen wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree things aren't the best and you make several valid points. However, seems to me that you are in the camp who would rather shit on their own country instead of finding ways to make things better for everyone. You too are a part of the privileged class at this moment - sitting in the US (presumably).

Presumed wrong. I don’t comment on the state of affairs without having been back. Again I want to contribute to humanity and this planet, I don’t pledge allegiance to a line drawn by dipshits 70 years back.

You don't want to indentify as an Indian or a person of Indian origin. Yet you couldn't keep yourself from commenting on this thread.

> If you are a guy (or worse a girl) who insists it’s not that bad in india, then you grew up with extreme privilege or are extremely clueless about realities of life in this country.

What kind of argument is this even? "If you disagree with me, you're clueless"?

There's definitely some "I'll shit on my birth country to win Western approval" energy here..

Re: Back to India

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Post by therealrootuser »

throwaway_1928 wrote: post #154
rayiner wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans want H1Bs to be temporary workers who go back home, not immigrate permanently. That’s why the statute has “temporary” plastered all over it and has since it was written in the 1950s. That’s why the latest Democrat-backed reform bill still has temporary prominently right in the title of the Act: > To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to reform and reduce fraud and abuse in certain visa programs for a…

> Americans want H1Bs to be temporary workers who go back home, not immigrate permanently. That’s why the statute has “temporary” plastered all over it This is false. The H1B is a 'dual intent visa', which means it "allows foreigners to be temporarily present in the U.S. with lawful status and immigrant intent". > Unless they’re eligible for a real immigrant visa (in America, the main one is the family reunification…

Just trying to understand, what do you mean by a "Mexican US Citizen"?

When I read this originally, I was a bit confused why the child would not have been a US citizen as well by merit of being born to a US Citizen...but I think you're saying that the parent received US citizenship after the child was born?

Re: Back to India

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Post by revel »

princevegeta89 wrote: post #74

Fuck the H1b visa. Yes I understand that we have created a huge GC backlog by immigrating here in large numbers but that doesn't mean we should be dragged around like a toy. This is sadly the impression I've formed these days. Our entire lives here revolve around that visa and we could basically be holding on to it for 30 to 50 years before we can get a GC lol. In the meantime, maintaining our driver's licenses, bein…

There is no political will to fight for immigrants; skilled or otherwise. Without votes or the organized capital needed to lobby congress the immigration situation is only likely to get worse. The right wing's view of immigration has morphed over the past decade from "only skilled" to "no immigration at all" and the left has capitulated completely. This shift in attitudes towards immigration isn't unique to America but it's infuriating and depressing to see. Immigration is America's policy crown jewel. It's madness to see Europe's stagnation and think "yes, that's what I want for this country"

Re: Back to India

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Post by rayiner »

FerociousTimes wrote: post #157
rayiner wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think expressions of sympathy are counterproductive. Desis need to be clear eyed about the fact that the immigration system doesn’t operate on sympathy or feelings, but is a product of the economic and political incentives of different groups. One group may say kind things but that shouldn’t be a sign that things may be different in the future. Skilled immigration reform is a low political priority and desis should…

I am not sure why you keep repeating the talking point that Americans don't want legal and skilled immigration anymore without any evidence to back up your claim because as Gallup poll [1] suggests that dissatisfaction with immigration levels (legal or illegal) was on a downward trend and hit an all-time low last year. [1]: https://news.gallup.com/poll/389708/dissatisfaction-immigrat...

What your chart shows is that only 9% of Americans want to increase immigration levels, which would be both the actual and perceived effect of any effort to create a real permanent immigrant system for skilled workers.

Re: Back to India

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Post by me_me_mu_mu »

hans1729 wrote: post #5

I'd imagine moving back to India after being successful in the US gives you lots of leverage and status, in the sense of being a big fish in a smaller pool (what a beautiful irony, thinking of India of all places as the smaller pool, heh). But lets be real, isn't the quality of life much worse? I've never been there (or in the US, for that matter), but I'd imagine that things like infrastructure are far worse in Indi…

Imo it isn’t worth it. My family left India for a better life because having no running water and spotty electricity is an awful living experience. But the worst part is going outside and seeing that 80% of the people are doing worse than you and the suffering I saw was absolutely mind boggling. This was back in the 90s and 00s.

I went back recently in 2017/18 and between the 400ppm smog (when there was a wildfire near me in CA it was like 160) and people driving the wrong way across lanes in the smog fog and the traffic and poverty, I found the occasional Mercedes and other luxury car stuck sideways in traffic in the middle of the four lane highway that’s now somehow 9 to be extremely ironic.

I know I personally would find it extremely difficult to move there. I couldn’t deal with the fact that we went to a ultra luxury mall and came outside to be surrounded once again my mind boggling poverty and seeing everything from beggars to people in Benzes stuck in the same road. You go back to your nice home and still hear honking or breathe in the smog.

Moving to America was my lottery winning experience. I’m forever grateful for it.

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