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Why didn't you leave?
I like Shanghai. Where else would be better?
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There are two kind of issue there: - have no "buffer", meaning living in houses where you can't store food in quantity sufficient for a certain, not little, period of time, in some countries there are even official recommendations like Swiss who recommend one week of food and three days of water (I think, not sure about exact data); - live in a not-united population that can arise effectively, no government, no power…
> no government, no power can stop an angry population There are plenty of examples of the government doing just that in China. Boxer, taiping, 8 trigrams rebellions, etc, and those are just a few recent historical examples. In a country as large as China, you need substantial support from sympathetic government insiders if the angry population is even remotely regionally located. Uniting a billion people is an extre…
About sympathies consider that all armies in the world so fare are made of Citizens not drone, so they are humans against humans, a dictatorship can't count much about army loyalty under certain conditions, and that's one of the reason all governments that can push so much toward drones and isolated cohort of people, to avoid having a "social society".
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There are two kind of issue there: - have no "buffer", meaning living in houses where you can't store food in quantity sufficient for a certain, not little, period of time, in some countries there are even official recommendations like Swiss who recommend one week of food and three days of water (I think, not sure about exact data); - live in a not-united population that can arise effectively, no government, no power…
> no power can stop an angry population The longer you wait, the hungrier you get. The hungrier you get, the weaker you are. Best for the people of Shanghai if they start rioting now than a week from now, when it may be too late.
Honestly food issues will be spread all around the world in the near future: we are too much for the food quantity we can produce, it's just a matter of time. Probably the key most élites count on are a divided population between a mass of young kept a bit nourished and well indoctrinated just to live for work, a small extent of "new feudal class" to keep the system app and other poor to starve. When (not if, IMO) we will be there it will be too late to change the course but I do not know how much late is already...
What actually is going on in China, is there some type of economic meltdown in progress ? Like, we can say it's because of covid, but something seems a miss to me. > This is the biggest, richest, most international city of China and people are starving, without medicine, and without freedom. What?
I think it's as much a show of force and power by the CCP as anything. They will even shut down one of their largest and most prosperous cities on a whim if it suits their goals. Starving people and shutdown productivity do not matter in the face of what the CCP wills to happen. It's as much a warning and shot across the bow as anything.
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Complaining is against the party. China makes use of people who complain to much https://nypost.com/2022/04/07/researchers-claim-chinese-surg...
That's terrifying :( and incredibly sad for anyone who ends up in that position and China as a people. Can someone explain the downvotes? This is HN not the CCP, we demand action to be backed up with reason. The article suggested "political prisoners" to be included in those ending being killed by organ harvesting, so it seems relevant to the parent's comment: > Robertson claims surgeons operated on death-row prisone…
Being in favour of China, downplaying Chinese actions, receiving Chinese money is what mainstream media and a certain political side does.
People trained to follow their party line no matter the content will criticise anything that show China's true colours.
This is what annoys me about the US COVID protesters. We really didn’t have lockdowns in the US. A lockdown is when you have curfews, can’t go out, can’t travel at all, etc. I saw little of that in the US and what was there was sparsely enforced to the point of being not much more than a suggestion.
US politicians know this which is why a strong suggestion plus threatening employers with licensing revocation unless they, in turn, threaten employees with job termination over non-compliance is all they could do.
Newsflash: communism sucks.
We can also generalize: Dictatorial regimes suck. For all the gnashing, grinding, complaining, partisan politics in the USA over COVID policies, I think the USA came out alright. The detractors will say the USA failed. That 1m people died. A tragedy for sure and maybe a portion of those deaths would have been avoidable had we had better messaging from the Trump regime. But net result we have our freedoms intact. The…
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No, I'm a libertarian. But depending on how you want to measure it, Shanghai can be said to have a population bigger than Canada. That changes the context of what a video of sad cases means - 10s of anything, in Shanghai, is not that shocking. This isn't some rural country town like New York or London with ~15-20 million population. A lot of people live in Shanghai. I'm sure the situation in the city is terrible, but…
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Yes. But it was also a fool's errand before omicron. Has there ever been a recorded instance of eliminating a respiratory infection before?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS#Containment > The World Health Organization declared severe acute respiratory syndrome contained on 5 July 2003. The containment was achieved through successful public health measures. In the following months, four SARS cases were reported in China between December 2003 and January 2004. > While SARS-CoV-1 probably persists as a potential zoonotic threat in its original animal reser…
This is what annoys me about the US COVID protesters. We really didn’t have lockdowns in the US. A lockdown is when you have curfews, can’t go out, can’t travel at all, etc. I saw little of that in the US and what was there was sparsely enforced to the point of being not much more than a suggestion.
Meanwhile pro-restriction people were constantly saying “if we’d only had a REAL lockdown like China, this would all be over by now!” I guess you guys don’t really use that argument anymore, huh?