An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown • Hacker News Board

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by pmlnr » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 3:24 PM UTC

mstaoru wrote: post #246

Based in Shanghai since 2014, I can share some details on why it feels so unbearable to be here right now. Firstly, the totalitarian government have never been good at communicating anything except propaganda. So on one hand we're inundated with "Go Shanghai!" and how brave volunteers distribute food, on the other hand, we're completely in the dark about what's going on. Goalposts are being moved daily, rumors prolif…

> How would you respond to all that?

Noncompliance at minimum, riots, more probably. There is a point of hunger when one loses it.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by AndyJado » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 3:25 PM UTC

alangibson wrote: post #321

I'd like to hear from someone in China on why the government still pursues a zero-Covid policy. Is it just face-saving at this point?

If SH did carrys out Centre Party's policy like most of other cities does, this bizzare wouldn't happen in the first place, if weepy kid always get what it want, what about the slient most?

SH's fault is not CN's fault. China has no face, we just have the biggest slient most, pardon my English if you may ;)

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by Monotoko » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 3:25 PM UTC

starkd wrote: post #377

mstaoru wrote: post #246

Based in Shanghai since 2014, I can share some details on why it feels so unbearable to be here right now. Firstly, the totalitarian government have never been good at communicating anything except propaganda. So on one hand we're inundated with "Go Shanghai!" and how brave volunteers distribute food, on the other hand, we're completely in the dark about what's going on. Goalposts are being moved daily, rumors prolif…

Are people with means able to bribe the "baoan" ? I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of black market economy were developing.

Issue is, bribe them for what? They don't really have any means to get food either and if they were to look the other way while you slipped out of the community you'd find every shop closed.

They don't take monetary bribes, but favours, cigarettes etc

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by ceejayoz » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 3:25 PM UTC

darkhorn wrote: post #53

TheBlight wrote: post #29

If you believe anything you've heard about covid coming out of China for the last 2+ years I have a bridge to sell you.

If you believe anything China says I have you a bridge to sell you.

If you believe China's been having massive deaths throughout the last two years, why is Shanghai's spike notable?

China's great at squashing internal protests, but it's still porous; information gets out, and has throughout the pandemic, from the very beginning with doctors posting on social media that something was going on.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by rapind » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 3:28 PM UTC

mstaoru wrote: post #246

Based in Shanghai since 2014, I can share some details on why it feels so unbearable to be here right now. Firstly, the totalitarian government have never been good at communicating anything except propaganda. So on one hand we're inundated with "Go Shanghai!" and how brave volunteers distribute food, on the other hand, we're completely in the dark about what's going on. Goalposts are being moved daily, rumors prolif…

> I will strongly reconsider staying here.

It’s fascinating to me how tolerant some people are. After reading your comment (very informative thanks!), I would be well past “considering”. I’d be gone (with family in toe) as soon as humanly possible.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by marcosdumay » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 3:29 PM UTC

mstaoru wrote: post #246

Based in Shanghai since 2014, I can share some details on why it feels so unbearable to be here right now. Firstly, the totalitarian government have never been good at communicating anything except propaganda. So on one hand we're inundated with "Go Shanghai!" and how brave volunteers distribute food, on the other hand, we're completely in the dark about what's going on. Goalposts are being moved daily, rumors prolif…

> Yes, it has some potential to save lives

From what everybody is saying, it has the potential to take many lives too.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by unicornfinder » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 3:29 PM UTC

blhack wrote: post #328

This is legitimately confusing to me. Didn’t we learn that: 1) Lockdown do nothing 2) Vaccines are effective Why are they locking people down? Why aren’t they just vaccinating them all?

In short, because the vaccines available in China, as it turns out, aren't all that effective at all, and the Chinese government desperately needs to save face now.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by pmlnr » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 3:29 PM UTC

danuker wrote: post #378

stjohnswarts wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah if you completely shut down private services there, then there's no way the government has the resources to help everyone. They'll end up killing and traumatizing far more people than they're saving from covid. Rather than forcing everyone to get a vaccine they do this--I mean if you're going to be a totalitarian system at least do it logically. Just goes to show you how shit the CCP logic is.

Any regime that takes no feedback is bound to crumble. I hope they realize that people starving in their homes does no good for those in power either.

Unless they turn their leaders into despots, see North Korea. A lot of people were ready to suffer for their religion over the centuries.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by Laforet » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 3:29 PM UTC

selimthegrim wrote: post #315

Laforet wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China had administered more than 2 billion doses of vaccines using alum based adjuvant. This combined with the very low level of prior infection is theoretically the perfect breeding ground for a different serotype of Covid. Time will tell of this turns out to be the case

What’s so special about the adjuvant?

Alum tends to result in Th2 response, which is not very useful against viral infection as the T cells required to clear infected cells are not sufficiently activated. A lot of antibodies will be made but an RNA virus could mutate very rapidly in response, eventually leading to a new serotype that would require a different vaccine altogether. Or worse, result in antibody enhanced disease.

Most modern vaccines made against viral diseases use specialised adjuvants to avoid this known problem.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by Monotoko » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 3:31 PM UTC

entropie wrote: post #374

stackbutterflow wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is NSFL. For people who are curious but don't want to click, it shows people who committed suicide by hanging, and many, many suicides by jumping off buildings.

Also some comments indiciate that most of the videos are not lockdown related and very old.

This was posted a week ago in /r/china and we removed it for the same reason, it was cold in Shanghai yet in that video everyone is in T-shirts and it's cloudless. We reckon it to be from the north by the accents

Can't date it though.