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Re: Back to India

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Post by rayiner »

FerociousTimes wrote: post #149
0des wrote: post #144

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You don't have to justify your kind words to him or being apologetic about your motives for that stance. Let him figure it all out by himself when he feels like it.

I think expressions of sympathy are counterproductive. Desis need to be clear eyed about the fact that the immigration system doesn’t operate on sympathy or feelings, but is a product of the economic and political incentives of different groups. One group may say kind things but that shouldn’t be a sign that things may be different in the future. Skilled immigration reform is a low political priority and desis should head to Canada or Australia.

Re: Back to India

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Post by rayiner »

FerociousTimes wrote: post #143
rayiner wrote: post #120

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Americans want H1Bs to be temporary workers who go back home, not immigrate permanently. That’s why the statute has “temporary” plastered all over it and has since it was written in the 1950s. That’s why the latest Democrat-backed reform bill still has temporary prominently right in the title of the Act: > To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to reform and reduce fraud and abuse in certain visa programs for a…

Prescriptive vs Descriptive Perhaps the literal interpretation of the law reaffirms your argument for the temporary status of the visa but that doesn't take away from the fact that H1-B visa holders have progressed to the permanent residence status through this track in the past. This doesn't mean that every and each one of them is entitled now to this immigration status upgrade but this sentiment of "Here it says te…

The words of the law are the law; everything else is whimsy. Many H1Bs did get permanent residence at a time when Americans were feeling optimistic. That’s not true anymore and desis should read the words of the law carefully in deciding where to go.

Re: Back to India

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Post by nindalf »

Dharmakirti wrote: post #126
nindalf wrote: post #96

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> There are tons of posts Ok, go ahead and link 5 of them. Hyperlinks on the internet are free :)

It’s telling that you skipped the real criticisms about your toxic empathy and lack of solutions to the casteism problem. Grovelling in firanghi forums and seeking gora validation by finger pointing will not help eliminate the problem in rural India. Avarnas are not a karma farms for savarnas on the internet.

Seems like your comments got flagged while mine stay up. I wish I could reply to what you said, but they’ve been deleted.

I’d suggest you be less toxic in future. You can try to claim that you’re not using a casteist slur when you say Savarna but I’ve never heard anyone say that word without venom and hatred.

If you think the sources (thePrint, Soch) I shared have issues, point them out. If you think either video makes inaccurate claims, point them out. But please avoid ad hominem attacks on me.

Re: Back to India

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Post by throwaway_1928 »

rayiner wrote: post #120
princevegeta89 wrote: post #74

Fuck the H1b visa. Yes I understand that we have created a huge GC backlog by immigrating here in large numbers but that doesn't mean we should be dragged around like a toy. This is sadly the impression I've formed these days. Our entire lives here revolve around that visa and we could basically be holding on to it for 30 to 50 years before we can get a GC lol. In the meantime, maintaining our driver's licenses, bein…

Americans want H1Bs to be temporary workers who go back home, not immigrate permanently. That’s why the statute has “temporary” plastered all over it and has since it was written in the 1950s. That’s why the latest Democrat-backed reform bill still has temporary prominently right in the title of the Act: > To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to reform and reduce fraud and abuse in certain visa programs for a…

> Americans want H1Bs to be temporary workers who go back home, not immigrate permanently. That’s why the statute has “temporary” plastered all over it

This is false. The H1B is a 'dual intent visa', which means it "allows foreigners to be temporarily present in the U.S. with lawful status and immigrant intent".

> Unless they’re eligible for a real immigrant visa (in America, the main one is the family reunification visa)

This is false. An H1B ("temporary worker") from, say, Iraq or Serbia has no wait times for a green card. In contrast, a child ("family reunification") of a Mexican US Citizen must wait at least 20 years for a green card.

Re: Back to India

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Post by rayiner »

princevegeta89 wrote: post #147
rayiner wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans want H1Bs to be temporary workers who go back home, not immigrate permanently. That’s why the statute has “temporary” plastered all over it and has since it was written in the 1950s. That’s why the latest Democrat-backed reform bill still has temporary prominently right in the title of the Act: > To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to reform and reduce fraud and abuse in certain visa programs for a…

>>>I used to think the same, that the Americans don't really want us I don't think so. At this point Americans don't seem to care. In ripe cities, they see many immigrants from different countries many of who are GC holders or citizens. Btw many of them came here a couple years ago on the same h1b visa, so not sure why only Indians should be looking at it differently? The fact is America always needs high-skilled lab…

It’s not about the ethnicity of the people who have immigrated, but not creating incentives for new people to come here permanently. Not “no Indians” but instead “America is full.”

I don’t believe America really needs high skill labor. When my family came here in 1989, America was already the undisputed #1, and there were less than 1 million desis in the country. Today there are over 6 million—but America is in decline. I’m not saying there is a correlation, but I think it’s self-indulgent to say the country needs skilled immigrants.

Re: Back to India

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Post by FerociousTimes »

rayiner wrote: post #152
FerociousTimes wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prescriptive vs Descriptive Perhaps the literal interpretation of the law reaffirms your argument for the temporary status of the visa but that doesn't take away from the fact that H1-B visa holders have progressed to the permanent residence status through this track in the past. This doesn't mean that every and each one of them is entitled now to this immigration status upgrade but this sentiment of "Here it says te…

The words of the law are the law; everything else is whimsy. Many H1Bs did get permanent residence at a time when Americans were feeling optimistic. That’s not true anymore and desis should read the words of the law carefully in deciding where to go.

I think that you've made your point clear already regarding the literal interpretation of the immigration laws but I think that affected parties such as H1-B visa holders have the right to push for immigration reforms and pressure policy makers for a better outcome for their livelihood.

Re: Back to India

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Post by FerociousTimes »

rayiner wrote: post #151
FerociousTimes wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to justify your kind words to him or being apologetic about your motives for that stance. Let him figure it all out by himself when he feels like it.

I think expressions of sympathy are counterproductive. Desis need to be clear eyed about the fact that the immigration system doesn’t operate on sympathy or feelings, but is a product of the economic and political incentives of different groups. One group may say kind things but that shouldn’t be a sign that things may be different in the future. Skilled immigration reform is a low political priority and desis should…

I am not sure why you keep repeating the talking point that Americans don't want legal and skilled immigration anymore without any evidence to back up your claim because as Gallup poll [1] suggests that dissatisfaction with immigration levels (legal or illegal) was on a downward trend and hit an all-time low last year.

[1]: https://news.gallup.com/poll/389708/dissatisfaction-immigrat...

Re: Back to India

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Post by princevegeta89 »

rayiner wrote: post #155
princevegeta89 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>>I used to think the same, that the Americans don't really want us I don't think so. At this point Americans don't seem to care. In ripe cities, they see many immigrants from different countries many of who are GC holders or citizens. Btw many of them came here a couple years ago on the same h1b visa, so not sure why only Indians should be looking at it differently? The fact is America always needs high-skilled lab…

It’s not about the ethnicity of the people who have immigrated, but not creating incentives for new people to come here permanently. Not “no Indians” but instead “America is full.” I don’t believe America really needs high skill labor. When my family came here in 1989, America was already the undisputed #1, and there were less than 1 million desis in the country. Today there are over 6 million—but America is in decli…

I guess it was the undisputed no. 1 in 1989 because it already had a surge of immigrants by then. Heck, America was made by immigrants if it comes to that.

I'm not saying it needs me, but generally standing strong at the top has its cost - to have a rock solid administration and to keep bringing the cream of the world to work for them. There couldn't have been such a boost possible otherwise.

Re: Back to India

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Post by Markoff »

ramraj07 wrote: post #40

Good for you but there’s no real advantage professionally in moving back, but no disadvantage either. Sure you’re saying H1B restricts but does it really? Have you truly explored all immigration options? Or did you just balk at all the extra beauracracy and said I’ll go back to india? Which is fine, but do note the irony of moving to india to avoid bureaucracy lol. Apply and do your GST, run between five different br…

I agree with last paragraph, while maybe not very relevant for young single male, certainly very relevant who plans to settle down.

But honestly choosing between US and India to raise kid is choosing between two very bad options and there are more options in world, someone with IT background shouldn't have many issues to move to Europe which would be certainly better option long term raising the family, but maybe slightly worse career wise.

Re: Back to India

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Post by NovemberWhiskey »

maskedinvader wrote: post #14

I just wanted to point out I loved the fact the op used expat to describe his status in the US and not immigrant. I’ve always hated we had two different words to describe the same thing.

In my personal experience, expat is a term that's most frequently used to describe someone who is sent abroad by their firm, either on a temporary secondment or perhaps on an indefinite basis (c.f. "expat package" to describe a cost-of-living adjustment or other inducement).

That then shades into other meaning, which is one of someone living abroad that doesn't expect to stay, or retains a strong cultural connection with their home country, or doesn't mix with the local population (c.f. "expat ghetto" to describe a locale primarily inhabited or frequented by such people).

I don't know what the dictionary definition says, but I wouldn't say "immigrant" and "expat" mean the same thing to me.

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