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Re: Back to India

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Post by ido »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #100
rob74 wrote: post #58

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Yeah, if only 5% of the Indian population can afford your product, that's still a market comparable to the entire German population (~70 million). As long as the way that the other 95% have to live doesn't bother you. I have never been to India, but I still remember the news of the Covid lockdown in 2020 where the migrant workers were suddenly left without income and had to fend for themselves...

If I am okay with the way the other 95% live around the world, I do not see any reason I would be bothered by the way the other 95% have to live within an arbitrarily delineated portion of the world.

Ideologically yes, but practically & subjectively it doesn't feel that way in large Indian cities (anecdotal, I visited India for 2 months years ago). Walking through the center of Delhi (and many other large Indian cities) you see the kind of poverty you never encounter first-hand in developed-world cities like those in Western Europe, North America, Japan, Singapore, etc.

It was definitely a shock for me at first & is not a pleasant way to live IMO.

Re: Back to India

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Post by rayiner »

0des wrote: post #127
nonamechicken wrote: post #125

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> Americans feel that the country is full and will increasingly be enforcing the letter of the law. I used to think the same, that the Americans don't really want us. But when the corona pandemic related lockdowns happened, and US banned people from India, US still allowed Indian college students. So there must be some need. These students are not coming to US for education, they are coming here to work, and get gree…

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> I was not trying to do anything other than relaying my appreciation for someone who may feel as if they are being trivialized when I see them instead as a person who took a gamble on helping USA and is being manipulated due to the system in return.

I’m sure you’re a nice person, which is why I deleted the comment. But your use of the term “flair” gave off a very “I’m a good white person” vibe.

Re: Back to India

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Post by FerociousTimes »

rayiner wrote: post #120
princevegeta89 wrote: post #74

Fuck the H1b visa. Yes I understand that we have created a huge GC backlog by immigrating here in large numbers but that doesn't mean we should be dragged around like a toy. This is sadly the impression I've formed these days. Our entire lives here revolve around that visa and we could basically be holding on to it for 30 to 50 years before we can get a GC lol. In the meantime, maintaining our driver's licenses, bein…

Americans want H1Bs to be temporary workers who go back home, not immigrate permanently. That’s why the statute has “temporary” plastered all over it and has since it was written in the 1950s. That’s why the latest Democrat-backed reform bill still has temporary prominently right in the title of the Act: > To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to reform and reduce fraud and abuse in certain visa programs for a…

Prescriptive vs Descriptive

Perhaps the literal interpretation of the law reaffirms your argument for the temporary status of the visa but that doesn't take away from the fact that H1-B visa holders have progressed to the permanent residence status through this track in the past.

This doesn't mean that every and each one of them is entitled now to this immigration status upgrade but this sentiment of "Here it says temporary in the law so you better pack up and leave now" is a bit unfair.

Re: Back to India

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Post by 0des »

rayiner wrote: post #142
0des wrote: post #127

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> I was not trying to do anything other than relaying my appreciation for someone who may feel as if they are being trivialized when I see them instead as a person who took a gamble on helping USA and is being manipulated due to the system in return. I’m sure you’re a nice person, which is why I deleted the comment. But your use of the term “flair” gave off a very “I’m a good white person” vibe.

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Re: Back to India

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Post by Dharmakirti »

nindalf wrote: post #137
Dharmakirti wrote: post #126

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It’s telling that you skipped the real criticisms about your toxic empathy and lack of solutions to the casteism problem. Grovelling in firanghi forums and seeking gora validation by finger pointing will not help eliminate the problem in rural India. Avarnas are not a karma farms for savarnas on the internet.

Yeah that’s what I thought. Not even a single one of the “tonnes of links” you promised. > toxic empathy What does this even mean, hahaha. Because I point out that life is difficult for women in India, that’s toxic? Pointing out that all the women I know who have emigrated don’t want to move back unless they’re guilted into caring for family, that’s toxic? You throwing casteist slurs (“savarna”, twice) my way, accusi…

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Re: Back to India

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Post by FerociousTimes »

rayiner wrote: post #142
0des wrote: post #127

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> I was not trying to do anything other than relaying my appreciation for someone who may feel as if they are being trivialized when I see them instead as a person who took a gamble on helping USA and is being manipulated due to the system in return. I’m sure you’re a nice person, which is why I deleted the comment. But your use of the term “flair” gave off a very “I’m a good white person” vibe.

> But your use of the term “flair” gave off a very “I’m a good white person” vibe.

I think that you should delete this as well, the prejudicial tone is regrettable.

Re: Back to India

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Post by princevegeta89 »

rayiner wrote: post #120
princevegeta89 wrote: post #74

Fuck the H1b visa. Yes I understand that we have created a huge GC backlog by immigrating here in large numbers but that doesn't mean we should be dragged around like a toy. This is sadly the impression I've formed these days. Our entire lives here revolve around that visa and we could basically be holding on to it for 30 to 50 years before we can get a GC lol. In the meantime, maintaining our driver's licenses, bein…

Americans want H1Bs to be temporary workers who go back home, not immigrate permanently. That’s why the statute has “temporary” plastered all over it and has since it was written in the 1950s. That’s why the latest Democrat-backed reform bill still has temporary prominently right in the title of the Act: > To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to reform and reduce fraud and abuse in certain visa programs for a…

>>>I used to think the same, that the Americans don't really want us

I don't think so. At this point Americans don't seem to care. In ripe cities, they see many immigrants from different countries many of who are GC holders or citizens. Btw many of them came here a couple years ago on the same h1b visa, so not sure why only Indians should be looking at it differently?

The fact is America always needs high-skilled labor, to keep its economy at the No.1 position. They're however, not ready to reward that labor so readily.

Re: Back to India

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Post by shasts »

nindalf wrote: post #57

A friend of mine sent me a link to this article and said > Yugal Raj Jain. He’ll be fine in India. Indians will understand what my friend meant by that.

A lot of heated discussion on this thread! I don't have much to add other than already said before. I would like to add an anecdote though.

We have been considering going back and discussed this with some of the folks who came to Germany recently, where we live. They think we are crazy to go back now, as a Muslim.

I can see tons of new folks come to Germany now, many of them Dalits and Muslims on blue card work permit. Almost all of them have the same thing to say.

If you are an upper caste, Hindi speaking elite class, then you wouldn't see it. But if you are a Tamil, Dalit or Muslim then it is obviously frustrating to see the agenda the current central government is executing.

So we have kept the decision on hold.

Re: Back to India

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Post by FerociousTimes »

0des wrote: post #144
rayiner wrote: post #142

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> I was not trying to do anything other than relaying my appreciation for someone who may feel as if they are being trivialized when I see them instead as a person who took a gamble on helping USA and is being manipulated due to the system in return. I’m sure you’re a nice person, which is why I deleted the comment. But your use of the term “flair” gave off a very “I’m a good white person” vibe.

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You don't have to justify your kind words to him or being apologetic about your motives for that stance.

Let him figure it all out by himself when he feels like it.

Re: Back to India

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Post by FerociousTimes »

ramraj07 wrote: post #112
arcen wrote: post #69

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I agree things aren't the best and you make several valid points. However, seems to me that you are in the camp who would rather shit on their own country instead of finding ways to make things better for everyone. You too are a part of the privileged class at this moment - sitting in the US (presumably).

Presumed wrong. I don’t comment on the state of affairs without having been back. Again I want to contribute to humanity and this planet, I don’t pledge allegiance to a line drawn by dipshits 70 years back.

Post-nationalism/transnationalism FTW
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