Changing jobs during the Great Resignation • Hacker News Board

Re: Changing jobs during the Great Resignation

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Post by Zababa » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 1:07 PM UTC

yoyohello13 wrote: post #189

claudiulodro wrote: post #8

It's wild to me that his way of figuring out what companies to apply for was to make a list of the top-paying ones and just pick the top 10 highest-paying. Is that a common strategy? No thought about product, industry, impact on the world, just $$$. It looks like it worked out for them though, since I guess they got like a million dollar offer, so maybe I'm the one approaching this the wrong way?

Reading these responses is pretty upsetting. No wonder big tech is so evil. So many talented developers willing to sell their soul for more money. No thought to whether what they’re doing is causing harm to the world.

On the other hand, isn't it evil too to ask people to sell time of their life for less than they could have? Nobody has unlimited time on this planet. At some point you have to sell hours of your life.

Re: Changing jobs during the Great Resignation

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Post by mmarq » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 1:08 PM UTC

yoyohello13 wrote: post #189

claudiulodro wrote: post #8

It's wild to me that his way of figuring out what companies to apply for was to make a list of the top-paying ones and just pick the top 10 highest-paying. Is that a common strategy? No thought about product, industry, impact on the world, just $$$. It looks like it worked out for them though, since I guess they got like a million dollar offer, so maybe I'm the one approaching this the wrong way?

Reading these responses is pretty upsetting. No wonder big tech is so evil. So many talented developers willing to sell their soul for more money. No thought to whether what they’re doing is causing harm to the world.

You haven’t considered that many talented developers have to send kids to nursery or buy a home without help from their parents.

Re: Changing jobs during the Great Resignation

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Post by caffeine » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 1:08 PM UTC

claudiulodro wrote: post #8

It's wild to me that his way of figuring out what companies to apply for was to make a list of the top-paying ones and just pick the top 10 highest-paying. Is that a common strategy? No thought about product, industry, impact on the world, just $$$. It looks like it worked out for them though, since I guess they got like a million dollar offer, so maybe I'm the one approaching this the wrong way?

Yes. And it’s a good one. Even from the point of view of job satisfaction. The more $ you are paid, the more expensive it is for the company to waste your time.

Also, it means you are working with other high-paid people, which means they are results-oriented - not there for some childish, naive crusade to change the world.

Re: Changing jobs during the Great Resignation

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Post by citizenkeen » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 1:10 PM UTC

wayne-li2 wrote: post #336

djcapelis wrote: post #283

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Because not everyone is a twenty year old second generation immigrant with no family wealth who needs a lifeboat. Are you under the impression the blog post author is? Look if people need money I don’t think many of us are passing judgement on that. But if you’re privileged and your sole criteria for a new job is accruing capital, you bet I pass judgement on it. And honestly once you get over 200k a year I think the…

I didn’t try to assume anything about the blog post author. But it’s irrelevant — I was commenting on the comment calling people in general soulless for maximizing compensation. I agree there’s a point which that moral inflection point occurs, but I think the number is complex to come up to. I’ll give an example. I make a pretty obscene salary that falls within your definition of “needing to care”. But I live in a VH…

It’s not too late to be a high school teacher and own a cafe.

Re: Changing jobs during the Great Resignation

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Post by citizenkeen » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 1:12 PM UTC

jseban wrote: post #322

philosopher1234 wrote: post #319

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The most fantastic teacher in the world will make less money than most software developers. This they’re mediocre? Your logic is gross, and idiotic.

The real reason why teachers make "little" money, is because their job is repetitive.

You have no idea what teachers do, do you?

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Post by rprospero » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 1:19 PM UTC

caffeine wrote: post #369

everdrive wrote: post #350

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I just don't think many or most tech companies have anything positive to offer the world. All these companies simply exist to make money. Generally speaking, most companies just exist to make money. To the extent that they improve anyone's lives, is that they support the economy and allow citizens to pay taxes. There are certainly some minority of tech companies which do good in the world, but actually getting hired…

> I just don't think many or most tech companies have anything positive to offer the world. All these companies simply exist to make money. IMHO, making money IS providing something positive to the world. A lot of people are employed, and those people get to buy art or cookies or college for their kids or whatever. A lot of customers are served, and presumably got something they wanted.

> A lot of customers are served, and presumably got something they wanted.

The question is how often you run into the broken window fallacy there. An arsonist makes money burning down houses. A real estate developer makes money since they can now get the land for cheaper. The arsonist also supports local restaurants and gives to charity. But the total economy is still down one house.

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Post by ghaff » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 1:33 PM UTC

R0b0t1 wrote: post #316

solarmist wrote: post #264

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There isn’t an IQ test that’s been created that wouldn’t benefit from practice. That’s why the materials are so highly guarded for actual IQ tests. So technically true, but reality doesn’t have any true IQ tests either.

Yes and no. They have patterns to create IQ tests, and those patterns change less frequently.

Patterns is a good way to put it. I can pretty much guarantee that if you stuck a SAT test in front of me today (or one in front of much younger me prior to doing any preliminary tests or test prep), I would not be getting into my undergraduate school of choice.

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Post by ido » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 1:33 PM UTC

tempestn wrote: post #273

ido wrote: post #255

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Is $100m too low or too high?

Too high. A small handful of CEOs have started making >100M in annual comp recently[1], but outside of the very highest paid CEOs, even top executives don't make that kind of money. (Although they certainly might see a capital gain in excess of that amount on their stock and options when the share price goes up.) [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-highest-paid-ceos/

Yeah, I assumed that was TC (in which case for a CEO the majority of that will be shares not the base salary) - but of course most CEOs don't run Apple/Google/Microsoft/Amazon/etc.

Re: Changing jobs during the Great Resignation

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Post by russellendicott » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 1:41 PM UTC

caffeine wrote: post #369

everdrive wrote: post #350

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I just don't think many or most tech companies have anything positive to offer the world. All these companies simply exist to make money. Generally speaking, most companies just exist to make money. To the extent that they improve anyone's lives, is that they support the economy and allow citizens to pay taxes. There are certainly some minority of tech companies which do good in the world, but actually getting hired…

> I just don't think many or most tech companies have anything positive to offer the world. All these companies simply exist to make money. IMHO, making money IS providing something positive to the world. A lot of people are employed, and those people get to buy art or cookies or college for their kids or whatever. A lot of customers are served, and presumably got something they wanted.

I agree. Just be careful not to call it "trickle down" because it's a trigger word for people. For example, who cares if a billionaire buys a yacht--the building of said yacht employed dozens of craftsmen, caused thousands of supply chain orders, and will support hundreds more in maintenance over time. Also, for luxury goods you can be sure that the margins at each step are quite healthy.

The real problem would be if the people making all this money just hoard it which often happens. The only way that gives back is by providing bigger balance sheets for banks to lend out more money which has a miniscule effect.

Re: Changing jobs during the Great Resignation

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Post by 9wzYQbTYsAIc » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 1:41 PM UTC

xanaxagoras wrote: post #196

rhizome wrote: post #100

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Parenting is work.

Parenting is not the kind of thing where you exchange your labor for money. It's not work in the sense that the parent comment meant it and you know that full well.

> Parenting is not the kind of thing where you exchange your labor for money.

Historically, that really is a big component of parenting. More children meant more money through additional hands being available to work the farm, etc.