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An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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It’s bloody awful. From start to now it’s been a clown show. It seems like no one learned anything in the past two years except that medical staff are much better at treating COVID. Thus zero deaths with more than 13,000 positive infected. A large majority are asymptomatic.

Why did hong kong have such a high death rate?

Because information is not censored to the same degree.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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The rest of the world seems to have gone all-in with vaccines and are now moving away from lockdowns. Why are China sticking to the lockdown route?

Their vaccine is not very effective against omicron, and they have far less hospital beds per capita than the west. So a 'flatten the curve' strategy will cause a lot more deads than it has in Europe and the USA.

this is what i read also

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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It’s bloody awful. From start to now it’s been a clown show. It seems like no one learned anything in the past two years except that medical staff are much better at treating COVID. Thus zero deaths with more than 13,000 positive infected. A large majority are asymptomatic.

Why did hong kong have such a high death rate?

From what I've read they used the low quality Chinese vaccines and vaccination rates among over 60s were under 80%. if you're over 80 and you get COVID you're very likely to die if you're symptomatic.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did hong kong have such a high death rate?

Because information is not censored to the same degree.

Also in China if a person has a heart condition and covid and die. Then it’s recorded as a heart condition. Same reason why seasonal flu rates are like 50 in China compared to 20m in America.

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The rest of the world seems to have gone all-in with vaccines and are now moving away from lockdowns. Why are China sticking to the lockdown route?

Maybe they know something we don’t.

Edit: there’s not a lot being talked about in terms of multiple infections over time. It’s not that the MRNA vaccines are effective it’s that the West pivoted to an entirely different public health policy.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did hong kong have such a high death rate?

From what I've read they used the low quality Chinese vaccines and vaccination rates among over 60s were under 80%. if you're over 80 and you get COVID you're very likely to die if you're symptomatic.

China used the same Chinese vaccines as Hong Kong and according to ABC News in Australia only 62% of Shanghai residents over 60 have been vaccinated. This is fairly typical; Chinese policy was to focus on vaccinating people of working age. There have been multiple reported outbreaks at elderly care facilities in Shanghai recently. China is still reporting no Covid deaths. Now, a bunch of people have been complaining their relatives at those facilities died, but officially none of them are Covid deaths.

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The rest of the world seems to have gone all-in with vaccines and are now moving away from lockdowns. Why are China sticking to the lockdown route?

Hong Kong had the highest death rate per capita globally in the last weeks when their containment policy failed. Leading to a mortality of over 0.1% in a short time. Hong Kong is a very rich area. Many other areas would fare much worse.

The rest of the world is not "all-in" with vaccines. Vaccines are combined with waves of infection for the unvaccinated and vaccinated which lead to the death of 0.1% to 0.6% of the population in many countries. With each infection the immunity rises - leading to less severe infections in the future. The deaths are a high price to pay but many people think it's worth it to have a somewhat normal life again.

As we know now, China was not very wise with their choice of vaccine and seemingly has no exit plan. Omicron is spreading very fast and due to a low prior immunity it would put an immense load on their medical system for months.

Here's the link to an interactive graph showing the death rate per capita: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

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The rest of the world seems to have gone all-in with vaccines and are now moving away from lockdowns. Why are China sticking to the lockdown route?

The market has a lot less strong of a grip on society so it is less urgent to simply wish the virus away by reopening everything at a huge human cost.
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