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Which technology doesn’t need maintenance?
Half of the plants offline?
Good thing the sun never stops shining and the wind never stops blowing
Exchange electricity prices in France go through the roof
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Re: Exchange electricity prices in France go through the roof
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
The alternative is your quite cheap wholesale and retail electricity prices would have gone through the roof. Nuclear is fucking expensive.
I live in Germany and pay twice as much as what I would pay in France per Kwh, it's been true ever since I moved and is still true today, germany actually is the most expensive in the EU zone [0] [1]. Nuclear is both cheaper and less polluting, but I guess it doesn't matter because one dude on twitter posted a big number chart due to a temporary anomaly. Exchange prices at a specific time can be wacky because exchang…
Please do not forget that most of the household price difference comes from taxes. This is also said in your own source [1]:
> Taxes and levies make the biggest difference. Their share climbed steadily, from 25.6% in 2011 to 40,3% in 2020. These values vary greatly from one country to another, with rates as high as 66% in Denmark and 53% in Germany.
I.e. in Germany, 90% of the Stromsteuer is used to fund the government pension system. So you cannot really compare the household prices between countries and make conclusions about the efficiency of their electricity policies, because a lot of countries just opt for another scheme of government financing through taxes on stuff such as electricity (or gasoline taxes for example, which is also used to fund pensions in Germany).
Re: Exchange electricity prices in France go through the roof
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I live in Germany and pay twice as much as what I would pay in France per Kwh A feat achieved because France front loaded its nuclear capex. The plants they have are paid off but aging and almost at the end of their life while Germany has been ramping up new generation capacity. Once Germany is close to 100% green energy their electricity prices will go down a lot. >Nuclear is both cheaper and less polluting, but I…
Thanks to nuclear, France is decades ahead of us in Germany We barely average 50% green electricity today, at 4x carbon cost of France - and that is before we try to transition heating and transport (cars) to electricity
This is simply not true (see my post to the OP about taxes in household prices). If you compare wholesale prices on the exchanges, German electricity is cheaper than Frances [0].
[0]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1267500/eu-monthly-whole...
Re: Exchange electricity prices in France go through the roof
#94It is the same, or even worse in Spain. We are entering an age of energy poverty where average people need to think twice before turning appliances on. It's crazy to think about that in a top 10-15 economy.
EU needs to detach energy prices from gas prices ASAP. Countries like Spain are actively penalized for creating energy from renewable sources.
Re: Exchange electricity prices in France go through the roof
#95About 1/2 of nuclear power plants in France are down because of maintenance and/or repairs[1][2]: > France's nuclear fleet has been hit by unprecedented outages this winter with half of its 56 reactors currently unavailable. This is happening in a country where most people use electric heating[3] while the temperatures dropped a bit recently (minimal temperatures are mostly below zero centigrade, while max. doesn't g…
I have to say that this bears a striking similarity to what stuxnet intended to do and the timing is impeccable with the current Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Not to invoke the Russian boogeyman. But I wonder.
Re: Exchange electricity prices in France go through the roof
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Yet another reason that nuclear isn't the panacea it is presented as here.
I’m not sure if it is being presented as one? It’s one of a mix of technologies that can offer strategic coverage to specific geographic and industrial use cases.
It's often touted as one in HN comments is what they mean.
Re: Exchange electricity prices in France go through the roof
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> Every nuclear disaster is unique No nuclear disaster in history has added up to a bad single bus accident. . > and to absolutely refuse to shoulder the costs of anything going wrong. \n This is what the nuclear industry does This is, of course, the exact opposite of true. Nuclear power is the only kind of power expected to carry full disaster insurance (not even dams, which have death counts in the six digits.)
Victims: there are dissenting opinions, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl:_Consequences_of_the... No, nuclear isn't fully insured, in any nation (there are funds, providing for damages up to a low-caped total amount). Power-producing dams failures are very rare and preventable, and albeit they are way more numerous and old than nuclear reactors the history path is clear: https://ourworldindata.org/…
> Victims: there are dissenting opinions
Nobody cares. There's truth.
No evidence exists of these fictional things you're trying to discuss.
Anti-vaxxers speculate that vaccines secretly killed millions of people. That seems absurd, no? Like. We'd be able to find them?
Then why does this seem any different?
We're able to find evidence of deaths from 20,000 years ago, in caves, buried under 500 feet of dirt
Why can't any of the anti-nukes find any evidence of these giant mysterious waves of death during our lifetime?
When do you apply skepticism?
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> Power-producing dams failures are very rare and preventable
Dude ... no.
Go learn about Banqiao, which alone killed more than 10x as many people as all non-hydro energy disasters of all kinds put together.
Dams are the single most common form of power source failure by nearly two orders of magnitude.
Six of them have happened in the last ten years, five of those in first world countries.
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> This Banqiao case is a fluke
No, it's not. There are three other six figure death rates from dams, as well as 55 five figure and almost 800 four figure.
They fit the Zipf distribution essentially perfectly.
Also, holy shit, Chernobyl actually was.
Get it together. You're making things up.
Re: Exchange electricity prices in France go through the roof
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Victims: there are dissenting opinions, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl:_Consequences_of_the... No, nuclear isn't fully insured, in any nation (there are funds, providing for damages up to a low-caped total amount). Power-producing dams failures are very rare and preventable, and albeit they are way more numerous and old than nuclear reactors the history path is clear: https://ourworldindata.org/…
> Victims: there are dissenting opinions Nobody cares. There's truth. No evidence exists of these fictional things you're trying to discuss. Anti-vaxxers speculate that vaccines secretly killed millions of people. That seems absurd, no? Like. We'd be able to find them? Then why does this seem any different? We're able to find evidence of deaths from 20,000 years ago, in caves, buried under 500 feet of dirt Why can't…
Russia's demographics show surges of deaths during this period, there is no doubt about it. The causes are a matter of polemics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#After_W...
Russian Academicians publish a scientific meta-study about Russia, let me prefer this over "JohnHaugeland" bluntly pretending "nobody cares".
Past victims statistics: I referenced Ourworldindata's work, their detailed work seems pretty clear to me and you didn't propose any counter-argument
Banqiao: the perspective ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24301436 ) seems clear to me, "no it's not" is IMHO, at best, a rather weak counter-argument.
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It's not a simple solution, but a plan for a long-term, robust, self-sustaining world: A good mix of {solar, wind, geothermal, hydro (as storage), biomass, tidal} combined with long-range energy transmission, grid storage, energy efficient buildings, transport, city planning and industrial processes. Of course let's not close existing plants germany-style while we do it (in the next few decades), but lets not kid our…
Yes, hopefully we have unicorns in the distant future Today and the immediate future need solutions that we can already build
All of those options are available to us right now, they are literally being rolled out as we speak. There is a much bigger question about our ability to build nuclear on the scale required.
Re: Exchange electricity prices in France go through the roof
#100France (One year graph): https://www.epexspot.com/en/market-data?market_area=FR&tradi... Germany (One year graph): https://www.epexspot.com/en/market-data?market_area=DE-LU&tr... Now for some extra fun, overlay this with graphs over CO2 emissions.
> Now for some extra fun, overlay this with graphs over CO2 emissions. Some other fun: Overlay this with a graph of nuclear waste production.
So a couple of kilos of potentially recyclable material, that we're going to encase in concrete/glass instead, vs trillions of tons of soot