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The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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Post by incomingpain »

mapster wrote: post #105
incomingpain wrote: post #84

From my perspective LATimes is often talking about climate change. I don't thoroughly read the LATimes but here's a selection of articles I've read from them. Like how Race is involved with climate change: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-03-18/race-enviro... Also how climate change is itself racist: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-02-13/climate-... Then also covering anti-climate change polit…

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>Paraphrasing the LA times articles like you do…give yourself a clap on the back and go back to Fox news.

I very rarely read fox news. I'm not from or in the USA.

Politically I am conservative but fox news will not provide me any new viewpoint or benefit.

Might I also point out how your attack on fox news is rather empty. I remember the keith olberman vs hannity/oreilly era. Fox news was one of the worst journalism entities there was. While keith was epic.

Oddly enough, fox took this criticism and certainly improved. Flipside, msnbc and keith are now the ones peddling disinformation. In a way they each became what the other was.

Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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Post by beepbooptheory »

YATA1 wrote: post #122
beepbooptheory wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might wan't to rethink your example here... You don't need a boat yet, but New Orleans has suffered incredibly in the last 20 years, both materially and spiritually, because of the hurricanes and flooding.

>You might wan't to rethink your example here... I might not... Katrina, Harvey, Betsy, 1915, etc. New Orleans is still there. It's not under sea like all the prophecies foretold.

I guess the human toll of all those things aren't really all that meaningful when it is not visually apparent to an outside observer. Which does make this a good example of what is going in general, you are right!

Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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Post by cogman10 »

titzer wrote: post #92
cogman10 wrote: post #62

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The big issue with climate change is it's gradual. There will never be a point where "Oh shit, everything has exploded!". Instead, it will be every year that deserts will get bigger, it will rain a little less, and a few more extreme weather events happen. This will happen just a little bit more year by year. There won't really be a point where you can say "This was the year climate change became really bad!" instead…

This. You've hit on the "shifting baseline" phenomena[1]. We cannot remember what our grandparents experienced in their daily lives. I'll add the ongoing extinction crisis that is picking up steam, itself a knock-on effect of us gobbling up all land resources and also climate change, and pollutants. I remember days in the park in the 1980s where the air would be filled with bees and insects of all kinds. The insects…

Oh yeah, in just my 36 years of life, I've seen things change pretty drastically and have seen family videos for stuff I don't remember.

When I was born, my hometown would regularly see around 10ft of snow (I've seen the videos).

During my childhood, that reduced down to around 2->5 ft of snow.

Now, my home town is lucky to see 2->3 inches of snow.

This drought has caused major issues for a town that was built around farming. It's driven them to pull more water from the aquifer which itself has been in pretty rapid decline. Everyone just keeps drilling deeper and deeper pumps (30ft used to be enough, now 100+ft is what people are drilling).

These sorts of slow moving collapses are terrifying to watch. And, at the same time, infuriating to hear the deniers throughout my life claim it's a hoax/not real.

Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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Post by fullshark »

wbsss4412 wrote: post #107
fullshark wrote: post #54

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What's your point? Their attempt to empathize with the impoverished / war torn is fool hardy and they should try to remain clueless of other people's experiences and whine about their own problems?

How is climate change “whining about their own problems?”. The LA times author was making the point that, to him and his readers, nothing matters as much as climate change. While what is happening in Ukraine is absolutely terrible, in his mind it does not reach the level of concern that climate does. Parents response was “oh you’re so privileged”, and my point is that just about everyone on this site is. Frankly, the…

So basically you think the person is hypocrite and that makes their point invalid. I think you should consider how we are going to achieve climate goals which require political consensus given the point OP makes personally, but noted.

Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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Post by ohCh6zos »

plaguepilled wrote: post #11
tim333 wrote: post #3

There are lots of things to talk about other than the 'climate crisis' and exaggerating it can lead to a misallocation of resources really.

The climate crisis coalesces wealth inequality, war tension, national resources, economy, and a host of other pressing current issues. It is trivial to find the link to each of these topics. I mean this respectfully, but there is absolutely no way a nation can 'over-allocate' to the climate crisis. Please provide a precise example or retract your claim. Edit: I'm getting a lot of down votes for this comment but not a…

Anything that causes a backslide to the point people are burning more fossil fuels would be an over allocation. So would any attempt to pull so much CO2 out of the atmosphere that caused a mass green plant die-off.

It is possible to overshoot the problem. It seems improbable, but we could overshoot.

Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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Post by endisneigh »

waqf wrote: post #119
endisneigh wrote: post #99

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The question you pose is effectively why we’re in the situation we’re in. To solve the climate crisis all externalities need to effectively be captured in the price in order to stabilize the market failure with respect to said externalities. Subsidies are what we do now already which is why we’re in the situation we’re in.

Conditional subsidies ("we'll give you money if you don't build that nasty coal plant") do capture an externality, so I'm not sure what point you're making.

That just goes back to the original question then - where’s the money coming from? Who is paying? How much do they have to sacrifice?

Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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Post by abnry »

cogman10 wrote: post #62
mrfusion wrote: post #9

I’m a full on believer. I even own an EV but I think this alarmism is just making people numb. I think there’s a whole generation out there that never read “the boy who cried wolf”.

The big issue with climate change is it's gradual. There will never be a point where "Oh shit, everything has exploded!". Instead, it will be every year that deserts will get bigger, it will rain a little less, and a few more extreme weather events happen. This will happen just a little bit more year by year. There won't really be a point where you can say "This was the year climate change became really bad!" instead…

I look at it the other way. Because it is gradual, we have much more time to adapt. We may miss out seeing how we've made improvements because those improvements are also gradual.

Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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Post by hotpotamus »

magpi3 wrote: post #123

Honest question: is there any chance that this does NOT end in an attempt at climate engineering, i.e. shooting shit into the atmosphere to cool the planet? I just can't imagine world nations are going to accept the catastrophic consequences that are incoming. Eventually, when things look bleak enough, it will become politically viable to propose such strategies. Obviously it is not at the current moment. But a cynic…

The thing to realize is that we're already engaged in climate engineering. There's no going back or unwinding it at this point, so basically I agree that this is the logical next step.

Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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Post by vasco »

wbsss4412 wrote: post #107
fullshark wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your point? Their attempt to empathize with the impoverished / war torn is fool hardy and they should try to remain clueless of other people's experiences and whine about their own problems?

How is climate change “whining about their own problems?”. The LA times author was making the point that, to him and his readers, nothing matters as much as climate change. While what is happening in Ukraine is absolutely terrible, in his mind it does not reach the level of concern that climate does. Parents response was “oh you’re so privileged”, and my point is that just about everyone on this site is. Frankly, the…

My point is that they are not suffering at the levels I compared it to, yet have the gall to tell everyone else not only what to talk about - but that they shouldn't even be talking about anything else.

I may not be suffering either, but I'm not telling anyone that I know better then them what "the real problem is". I thought this would've been understandable, but maybe the clarification helps.

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