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Re: People who press on cookie banners anything except “agree” – why do you do that?

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Post by logicalmonster » Fri, Apr 08, 2022, 2:13 PM UTC

kmeisthax wrote: post #3

>those in charge of the cookie banners really believe that they protect the interests of the user No, they're asking for consent to track because the EU demanded it. The easiest way to avoid having a banner on your site is to... just not have an analytics package on your site. They're aggressive because they don't want their data spigot turned off - hence the work-to-rule nonsense. You should not infer any benevolenc…

> No, they're asking for consent to track because the EU demanded it.

Personally, I think that despite seemingly good intentions, this common practice is counterintuitively harming user-privacy and security, especially on mobile where the banners take up a large chunk of the screen.

Many normal people get something like "banner-blindness": they are so used to seeing banners requesting confirmation when they visit a website that they by default click any random buttons they see to try and hide them right away without reading what is requested.

This practice doesn't really help anybody, IMO, and should probably be handled on the browser-level if people care about it.

Re: People who press on cookie banners anything except “agree” – why do you do that?

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Post by pdpi » Fri, Apr 08, 2022, 2:14 PM UTC

I simply refuse to press "I accept" as a matter of principle. If the website doesn't have a relatively easy way to refuse all (anything that takes me more than, say, 3-4 clicks), I'll just close it.

Re: People who press on cookie banners anything except “agree” – why do you do that?

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Post by gorjusborg » Fri, Apr 08, 2022, 2:14 PM UTC

I am someone who almost never clicks 'Agree'.

There seems to be a pattern that 'Agree' grants access to use tracking cookies and other metric collection. So, I usually either not consent and see what happens, or I 'customize' and for most sites that leaves 'essential' cookies enabled.

Why? Because I don't want to be harassed with targeted ads everywhere I go.

Re: People who press on cookie banners anything except “agree” – why do you do that?

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Post by enlyth » Fri, Apr 08, 2022, 2:15 PM UTC

Aardwolf wrote: post #19

I use a plugin called "idontcareaboutcookies" to not see them because I don't want anything requiring interaction just to read stuff anywhere The internet used to have pop ups in the early 2000s, until popup blockers and then the Mozilla browser came. Then we had over a decade of no pop-ups. Then Europe decided to make the internet a worse place by requiring websites to put something that's essentially a pop-up (the…

Completely agree, every website I visit now has an annoying cookie overlay, which requires interaction from the user. Just let me read the damn article! I don't care if you track a single visit to this website which I will never come back to.

I can protect my privacy myself if I want to, the EU is not helping at all because there are just dark patterns everywhere to make not accepting cookies difficult or inconvenient.

Re: People who press on cookie banners anything except “agree” – why do you do that?

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Post by gumby » Fri, Apr 08, 2022, 2:15 PM UTC

loceng wrote: post #9

kmeisthax wrote: post #3

>those in charge of the cookie banners really believe that they protect the interests of the user No, they're asking for consent to track because the EU demanded it. The easiest way to avoid having a banner on your site is to... just not have an analytics package on your site. They're aggressive because they don't want their data spigot turned off - hence the work-to-rule nonsense. You should not infer any benevolenc…

Do you know if it is only third-party analytics being called that requires the prompt, or is setting any cookie for the website's use only requiring permission too?

In house analytics and third party analytics are the same for the law. It’s all about user tracking.

Re: People who press on cookie banners anything except “agree” – why do you do that?

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Post by eropple » Fri, Apr 08, 2022, 2:16 PM UTC

Aardwolf wrote: post #19

I use a plugin called "idontcareaboutcookies" to not see them because I don't want anything requiring interaction just to read stuff anywhere The internet used to have pop ups in the early 2000s, until popup blockers and then the Mozilla browser came. Then we had over a decade of no pop-ups. Then Europe decided to make the internet a worse place by requiring websites to put something that's essentially a pop-up (the…

This is a misunderstanding of the situation.

Providers made those banners big, annoying, and full of dark patterns because they want you to agree to those cookies. They didn't have to have a bunch of check boxes right next to an "Accept All" button--this was a conscious choice by those providers. You are being targeted by malicious compliance so you dislike the thing that they want gone. This is a sucker's game, and you are falling for the okeydoke.

"Europe" didn't make the Web worse. People who won't stop tracking you because it is worth nanocents to them to do so did, and this is how they're fighting people who are trying to stop them.

Re: People who press on cookie banners anything except “agree” – why do you do that?

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Post by jokoon » Fri, Apr 08, 2022, 2:16 PM UTC

Because I suspect it is legally binding and that it can be used in court.

I'm not sure, but I think that companies can legally protect themselves if they have records of people clicking accept.

They can still delete the data of people who don't click. Simple as that.

It is a dark pattern, I think, especially when there is no refuse button.

Re: People who press on cookie banners anything except “agree” – why do you do that?

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Post by pc86 » Fri, Apr 08, 2022, 2:17 PM UTC

Aardwolf wrote: post #19

I use a plugin called "idontcareaboutcookies" to not see them because I don't want anything requiring interaction just to read stuff anywhere The internet used to have pop ups in the early 2000s, until popup blockers and then the Mozilla browser came. Then we had over a decade of no pop-ups. Then Europe decided to make the internet a worse place by requiring websites to put something that's essentially a pop-up (the…

What I don't understand is why a food blog run by someone in Kansas has cookie consent popups. You're not in Europe. Large multinational corporations I can understand. But it seems like most websites have these popups now even though most hosting and most content generation occurs somewhere other than the EU.

Re: People who press on cookie banners anything except “agree” – why do you do that?

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Post by pja » Fri, Apr 08, 2022, 2:18 PM UTC

> People who press on cookie banners anything except “agree” – why do you do that?

Spite.

Re: People who press on cookie banners anything except “agree” – why do you do that?

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Post by jenkstom » Fri, Apr 08, 2022, 2:18 PM UTC

I mostly only see these in websites found in a feed, like the Google Now feed on my android phone. If it's annoying enough I just block the website. If I can't trust them to track me then I don't really need to read whatever they are writing.