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Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by wtallis »

ipaddr wrote: post #417
achenatx wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Each time you get a vaccine you suppress a part of your body that would naturally react.

What exactly is being suppressed?

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by HeavyStorm »

mabbo wrote: post #45

When I went looking for a fully remote position last year, I was worried that exactly this might happen. Then I heard that Shopify had literally shut down and sold their offices. It's not actually possible for the company to go back to the office because they don't exist. So that's where I work now.

My remote option is a global team. We have offices at my location, but since management and the rest of the team is spread around the globe, the risk of me needing to show up at the office is minimal.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by careersaas »

This is something that we are trying to solve at Careersaas. We take "remote ratings" from those who have applied for roles at companies, but also we algorithmically measure the ratio of remote positions, text indicating a remote role within a job post, and then add a score. Here's Gartner, for example: https://app.careersaas.com/portal/companyprofile/662a55634c1...

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by chrisbuc »

uuyi wrote: post #95

> I'm not sure what the compensation model for recruiters is, but it seems to encourage bringing in as many candidates as possible over treating them with honesty and respect. From experience dealing with recruiters for the last 25 years they universally lie to both sides to pocket the commission at all costs. I drove 400 miles once to do an interview for a solution architect position. Got there and the company were…

I once went for an interview, setup by a recruitment agency, in a town nearby. The job looked great, and it was a step up for my career. It was for a mature company that made software for the oil drilling industry amongst other things.

The interview went well, the coding test was good. Finally, I were just chatting with the CEO, and he asked "So you're ok with spending 2 years on site in Kazakhstan?"

Needless to say we both agreed that it was a wasted interview and that the recruitment agency should have mentioned the Kazakstan bit...

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by asoneth »

jedberg wrote: post #161

Protip from an old guy: Always get everything in writing. No verbal promises. Make sure everything you discussed is written in the offer. If you discussed 100% remote, make sure the offer says 100% remote. If it doesn't, ask them to add it before you sign. And then if they go back on it, keep working there, look for a new job, don't go to the office even if they tell you that you have to, and bring up that you have i…

Another datapoint for getting it in writing:

I attended and then later worked at a graduate program in a high-demand niche of computer science. When I was a student a company rescinded an offer that had been signed months before and left one of my classmates scrambling at the last minute.

Several years later I taught there and found out the employer was still blocked from participating in the program's recruiting events. Had there been a handshake instead of a written offer it would be unlikely that they would have maintained that block for so long. The written offer was also referenced when communicating with the company in question, students, other programs in our niche, university administration, and especially other recruiters.

Needless to say, no student has had a similar issue since.

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Post by mystickphoenix »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #220
mystickphoenix wrote: post #104

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Focusing on remote-only, remote-first, remote-from-scratch companies is how I ended up at my current, and literally best company I've ever worked for, gig. Obviously the pool of such companies is smaller than in-person and they tend to have more competition for roles, but my unscientific guess is that pool is growing larger. Bonus points for those companies because they didn't have to "figure it out" or change upper…

I would love to go to a remote first company. How do you even find such a thing without just being super lucky? I'm actually onboarding at a remote position right now where the people I work with are clearly used to everything happening in an office. It's Thursday, I started Monday, and I have spent a grand total of maybe 3 hours speaking to my teammates or direct manager. I've been dumped with a ton of documentation…

I started searching for remote-first companies and specifically targeted them. I have 10-15 years of experience (depending on the specific needs of the company) in software, I was in a stable position at yet another zombie startup so I had time to hone my resume, interviewing skills, etc. Took me 2 tries and 2 years to land this particular position but it was worth it.

Interviewing can definitely be a numbers game but in hindsight (and just my experience) it's important to only go for companies where you think you'd be happy working.

As for onboarding, whether it's a remote first, omg-remote-because-of-covid, or an in-person company I've had varied results. My experience at most startups is that onboarding is pretty low on the priority list and quality is very dependent on the hiring manager and the team you've been hired onto.

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Post by ghaff »

jupp0r wrote: post #420
ghaff wrote: post #196

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Many people are not really in the position to just go and get multiple (in this case remote) job offers.

How is getting one offer different from getting multiple? At least for me, prep is the main part and the interviews themselves are a smaller commitment compared to that. This is greatly helped by the pandemic causing on-site interviews mostly being replaced by online video conferencing ones.

For most professionals, landing a decent job offer is a multi-month process.

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Post by no-s »

davidguetta wrote: post #408
no-s wrote: post #256

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I drove to LA once to do an interview the next day after confirming with the in-house recruiter. When I got there they told me they didn’t think I was actually coming because they had already hired someone. Also they didn’t want to pay expenses despite offering to do so in their letter to me. So I called up a consultant firm I knew in LA and sez, “hey I’m in town interviewing at X for Y, but I don’t like them and I w…

did it work ?

> did it work ?

Hah! it was a 3 month DBA contract at an LA legal firm that specialized in converting publicly available data from court cases and data mining the results for various ordinary and/or predatory legal practices...I upgraded the SQL Server databases, fixed the document vector mining, fixed the license compliance issues (this was during the Business Software Alliance predatory compliance era). I didn’t want to continue because I didn’t like the culture, but I did work with the guy I supervised to help him achieve a perm position. I got paid, got my stipend, got my bonus, got my expenses with no delay after my attorney letter. The lying recruiter faded out of sight, I didn’t pay any attention to what happened to her because my pals at the consulting firm put me into a new contract immediately with a higher pay rate.

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Post by damethos »

pc86 wrote: post #172
jedberg wrote: post #161

Protip from an old guy: Always get everything in writing. No verbal promises. Make sure everything you discussed is written in the offer. If you discussed 100% remote, make sure the offer says 100% remote. If it doesn't, ask them to add it before you sign. And then if they go back on it, keep working there, look for a new job, don't go to the office even if they tell you that you have to, and bring up that you have i…

This works if they try to get you to come in right away, but things change and the company is allowed to change a remote position to an in-office position. It can even happen soon after hiring (but is obviously much more suspect). The company changing its mind !== wrongful termination.

That's not how contracts work. It does not matter if the company changes its mind. If it's in writing then it has to be honored or else contracts would be pointless if anyone can just change its mind without consequences.
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