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The True Cost of Commuting

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Re: The True Cost of Commuting

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He's calculating the cost of commuting vs not commuting. That's not a real comparison for most people.

And even if you do calculate the real cost differential, I think for many people, living somewhere you really like is similar to taking a job that you really enjoy. I would take decreases in salary for an awesome work environment. Call me crazy, but if I have the ability to "pay" for sanity, I will. It's priceless.

Re: The True Cost of Commuting

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I work from home, but I still "commute" to get a fresh breakfast every morning - by scooter. It is such a joy to ride a scooter in London traffic that I deliberately go to much farther shops just to extend the amount of time I'm zooming past the traffic... Quite frugal on fuel (I get about 70 MPG, but I ride a fast 300cc scooter and don't have a light throttle hand), and I can do most regular maintenance (oil & filte…

Aren't you worried about the higher likelihood of death (4x) and injury (6x) on motorcycles?

Not really, no; for several reasons. You need to pick apart those statistics and look at risk factors (e.g. breaking limits, laws, alcohol) and also weigh up how much fun it is. Skydiving is dangerous but fun - I did it for a year, but ultimately it wasn't for me. Climbing mountains is dangerous, but there's a huge sense of accomplishment involved. Riding a motorbike is similar: there's less risk than the previous, but you can do it much more often, and the risk is scalable by how aggressively you ride.

I've had a few ~30mph scooter spills in the past three years - a couple of lowsides from loss of traction owing to cornering too harshly in poor weather and poor surfaces (scooters exacerbate this owing to not having much lean angle to play with), as well as an 18 year old kid in a car who pulled out of a parked position behind a bus and did a u-turn as I was overtaking the bus - but none the worse for wear other than a scratched visor and a slightly scraped elbow (and an insurance payout to replace my bike).

Ironically, I've travelled much further in total on my big bike (but over shorter time periods) with no incidents at all, yet was pushing myself through twisty mountain roads and much higher speeds. But I had the experience to watch extra carefully for road surface quality and dial right back in bad weather.

You've got to die sometime. You only have a short time on this planet. Do you want to live fearfully and protect all that you have until your grave (when you'll lose it all anyway), or do you want to go out and live a little?

At least on a motorbike you're more likely to hurt yourself than other people. I find driving a car, on the other hand, quite a scary experience owing to how large it is and how little vision you have of everything around you. It would be so easy to hit something small while reversing (a child, say), or clip something (like a cyclist) going around a corner.

(I should add that I rarely ever go on my scooter without protective jacket, and almost never on my big bike without protective trousers and boots too. I never ride without gloves or full-face helmet.)

Re: The True Cost of Commuting

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The problems with long commutes all revolve around home ownership. People want big houses on big yards. Most can't afford that close to work, which means they make the economic choice to trade the commute time for that "dream". That's fine but the problem is that government subsidizes that dream to a ridiculous degree. Urban sprawl has a huge cost in infrastructure, largely borne by the taxpayer. Low-density urban sp…

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Re: The True Cost of Commuting

#54
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Excellent point! I believe Mr. Money Mustache addresses objections of exactly this type in this related post: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/10/07/how-to-tell-if-you... ;-)

Wow. After reading this I would downvote this article if I had downvotes.

Why? Because you find it irritating that he finds it irritating that some people spend more time cutting others down than trying to improve themselves?

Re: The True Cost of Commuting

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"For each of these miles, you waste about 6 minutes in the round trip..." This little line here has a huge effect on the computation, because it assumes you are only traveling at 20 mph on your commute. So all this only applies if you are in a heavy traffic area or commuting to a city center.

Some days I wish my average speed was 20mph on my commute. My commute is ~17 miles and it sometimes takes an hour or more.

My commute on bike is 13 and it rarely takes an hour :)

Re: The True Cost of Commuting

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My commute is roughly 44miles each way (SF to MV)... but before moving to my new place I found public transportation that covers all but the last 5min of my commute. I also made sure I could tether and work remotely before starting this so I could count my 40min of train time as part of work; but I know people who drive the same route I do every day to avoid dealing with public transportation. I have little if no sympathy for them when convenient and fairly reliable public transportation exists.

I also ran the math on the driving vs. commuting found my car is about $7.26/trip + my personal lost time. Train is roughly $4.53/trip and there's a subsidy I take that brings that to ~$1.20/trip

Re: The True Cost of Commuting

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Two miles is very walkable (given clear sidewalks in the winter)

Agreed. I've done it. In my case it's not always practical - I like to come home for lunch, see the kids, have lunch with my wife.

Well, practicality is pretty much ruled out here unless you work from home.

Re: The True Cost of Commuting

#58
I drive an hour to and from work each and every day of the work week, and I hate it. It was great catching up on podcasts...until I ran out.

I'm burning 2 hours of my life, each and every day...depressing.

I will move closer when my lease runs out, but I won't sell the car. I enjoy being able to travel this great state of Florida.

Re: The True Cost of Commuting

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I drive an hour to and from work each and every day of the work week, and I hate it. It was great catching up on podcasts...until I ran out. I'm burning 2 hours of my life, each and every day...depressing. I will move closer when my lease runs out, but I won't sell the car. I enjoy being able to travel this great state of Florida.

I feel your pain. It takes me 2 hours from the time I leave my garage till the time I get to the seat at my office. It's a mix of rail, car, and walking to NYC and back to central NJ, twice a day, 5 times per week. (Insert Reddit rage-face picture here)

Edit: 20 minute drive to the rail station with a five minute wait to board, then a one-hour train ride, then a 25 minute 1.25 mi walk. Both ways. Sometimes in snow.

Re: The True Cost of Commuting

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Seattle proper -> MSFT campus? That commute is the main reason I've never entertained any thought of joining MSFT. The choices are to live in comically stereotypical suburbia, or to suffer that commute daily. Amazon is hiring...

I live in Kirkland and work at Amazon.

Avoid the lake and move. I was much happier after I left MSFT and reduced my commute to 12 minutes.
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