Most my coworkes are introverts. We do not do anything above. Unexpected enough? And we are lean and mean highly functional team. The most helpful for my team is let people be themselves and not force rituals.
Ask HN: Hybrid/Remote software team rituals
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#22Blood sacrifices and invocations to see who can summon the cutest and fiercest beast. You show your demon to the camera and get votes on it and on the chants you did to bring it from the depths. At the end of each sprint. Remote orgies to appease the gods of nature and ensure a good deployment. Everyone wears traditional handmade masks for anonymity and we only do it if all tests are green, obviously. Every three mon…
Re: Ask HN: Hybrid/Remote software team rituals
#23Blood sacrifices and invocations to see who can summon the cutest and fiercest beast. You show your demon to the camera and get votes on it and on the chants you did to bring it from the depths. At the end of each sprint. Remote orgies to appease the gods of nature and ensure a good deployment. Everyone wears traditional handmade masks for anonymity and we only do it if all tests are green, obviously. Every three mon…
tbh I found fire walking to be overrated. Onboarding is really difficult and, as a consequence, the Kanban board just doesn't paint a full picture for new staff during their first weeks. And the ritual has to happen late at night so every once in a while someone starts bickering about having to stay late at work and demands to be paid for extra hours. It's far more trouble than it's worth, I don't think it has any significant advantage over sacrificing a goat on spring equinox, which you only have to do once.
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#24Most my coworkes are introverts. We do not do anything above. Unexpected enough? And we are lean and mean highly functional team. The most helpful for my team is let people be themselves and not force rituals.
And why assume introverts don't like these things? If anything, I prefer having an arena to be social, rather than having to take the initiative myself.
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#25WIPs.
Asynchronous comms.
That’s it. For people who want to, they develop a closer relationship and catch up more often. But it’s not expected.
We trust our people, and expectations have been set and agreed upon. It’s enough.
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#26> everyone on the team writing up weekly summaries. Waste of time unless you’re an obsessive micromanager. Other team members either don’t read these entirely or just skim them. > record every video conference Don’t do this shit. It’s a great way to have everyone reserved rather than relaxed with free flowing ideas.
This is probably true if you work in complete isolation.
If, however, you are a part of a larger team or organization a lot of value can come out of this type of transparency - it removes the need for a lot of meetings and is a great tool in an asynchronous work environment.
Just two minutes ago one of the devs in a team I manage picked something someone from a different team logged about, and decided to initiate a discussion about a potential conflict.
I agree that it should not be mandated though, but should come from the fact that people see it as valuable.
There's also a cultural aspect of it - it brings life to an online community that have to be built, and it works to fill the need of casual interactions during lunch or other spontaneous gatherings that no longer occur with regular cadence.
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#27An interesting choice of word worth exploring. One could have said "activity" or "procedure", but ritual carries some connotations about the state of remote/hybrid working.
What I think you're asking is - what ways we can connect/bond in human ways? Group dynamics, team identity, loyalty, non-monetary reward, focus and satisfaction, and much more, are determined by the interpersonal bonds that obviously have been disintegrating in a post-pandemic workforce.
Great that people want to find ways to preserve that.
Rituals can be healthy, but also toxic. If an organisation already has a strong charter they can be used to keep it on track. But they can be used to select and filter group membership, and if anyone (the super-sociable one) gets to define and enforce rituals they become a mechanism for one group to take over the company and impose their values by fiat.
For example, food in the workplace is contentious. I consulted at a medium sized London startup where there was a daily banquet of obscenely healthy vegetarian food. At the order of the MD's wife, lunch attendance was "required", lest you fall our of favour with "the family" (which is how she cringingly referred to the company workers). She would sit and watch everybody with eagle eyes. Having a controlling "feeder" policing the staff this way felt toxic.
In many big London firms, "pints with the lads" on Friday is a City ritual that weeds out the family-men and those who can't navigate the social status intricacies of "buying the boss a beer". Going to a bar with 18 year old lap-dancers gets old when you want be at home and talk to your wife, or 18 yo daughter about her A-level homework. In some Japanese work culture, drinking till you can't stand up is a symbol of workplace vigour and loyalty. Although in healthy companies the women come out for drinks too, these rituals are often ways to cement male domination.
To quote Nietzsche "What new rituals must you invent to atone..." As rituals transform into electronic versions there is no doubt that new controlling behaviours will emerge, making performative rituals of loyalty, denouncement, compliance and symbolic belonging. There are already new ways of including or excluding people via technological means just along the lines of "Teams or Zoom" [1]
Meetings can also just be meetings. But really they are more. "Rituals", if they are to be healthy, need to be optional, evolve organically, and do so in a way that is inclusive of the whole team.
[1] Other much better teleconferencing solutions are available.
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#28> everyone on the team writing up weekly summaries. Waste of time unless you’re an obsessive micromanager. Other team members either don’t read these entirely or just skim them. > record every video conference Don’t do this shit. It’s a great way to have everyone reserved rather than relaxed with free flowing ideas.
Where I work we have weekly update emails usually sent out on Friday. I actually enjoy writing down a bullet list of tasks I finished and which ones are planned for next week to keep myself organized. It's mostly for myself and not for others. You are not really expected to religiously read everyone's emails and skimming them is fine to keep a general overview what people around you are up to.
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#29> rituals have been helpful for your software development teams An interesting choice of word worth exploring. One could have said "activity" or "procedure", but ritual carries some connotations about the state of remote/hybrid working. What I think you're asking is - what ways we can connect/bond in human ways? Group dynamics, team identity, loyalty, non-monetary reward, focus and satisfaction, and much more, are de…
You may speak of ritual or ceremony when something has been instituted for generations or at least several years, for significant effects towards the group itself (not towards its output).
When the form and content of your practices change every 6 months, and vary widly because the things you work on, or because the hierarchy mandates you to, or because the group/team itself changes, that's nothing that's been instituted.
A business company may very well have its own set of practices. But trying to tweak vocabulary towards making them sound like they are of the same level of importance and impact as rituals or ceremonies, with what those words mean in the social and religious senses, is really an attempt at manipulation.
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#30Most my coworkes are introverts. We do not do anything above. Unexpected enough? And we are lean and mean highly functional team. The most helpful for my team is let people be themselves and not force rituals.
Who talked about "force" here? And why assume introverts don't like these things? If anything, I prefer having an arena to be social, rather than having to take the initiative myself.
That sounds kinda forced