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Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Post by jamesfinlayson »

lolinder wrote: post #66
eric4smith wrote: post #27

Moved from Google Cloud -> Digital Ocean -> OVH. Running our own stuff on high powered servers is very easy and less trouble than you think. Sorted out the deploy with a "git push" and build container(s) meant we could just "Set it and forget it". We have a bit under a terabyte of Postgresql data. Any cloud is prohibitively expensive. I think some people think that the cloud is as good a sliced bread. It does not rea…

> Really, I can't see a compelling reason to be in the cloud for the majority of mid-level workloads like ours. I work on a very small team. We have a few developers who double as ops. None of us are or want to be sysadmins. For our case, Amazon's ECS is a massive time and money saver. I spent a week or two a few years ago getting all of our services containerized. Since then we have not had a single full production…

Very much agree - due to a coworker leaving recently, I'm looking after two systems. They're both running on ECS and using Aurora Serverless.

My company takes security very seriously so if these two systems were running on bare-metal I'd probably be spending one day a week patching servers rather than trying to implement new functionality across two products.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Post by lolinder »

exfascist wrote: post #91
lolinder wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's far easier to maintain my own Linux workstation than an internet-facing server used daily by customers.

Absolutely but most of the knowledge translates, it's the procedures that differ.

It's those different procedures that I'm trying to avoid. It's not that I couldn't do those things or learn to do them, it's that my time is best spent building and improving our applications, not keeping servers running, secured, and up to date.

At some point we hope to get to the scale where it makes sense to pay a human to do that, but at this point the additional cost incurred by an ECS instance over an equivalent server is negligible.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Post by throwawayboise »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #204
vidarh wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately not, but it's surprisingly straight-forward, apart from the database bit, but here's a bit more detail from memory. There are many ways of doing this and some will depend strongly on which tools you're comfortable with (e.g. nginx vs. haproxy vs. some other reverse proxy is largely down to which one you know best and/or already have in the mix) [Today I might have considered K8s, but this was before tha…

> If you want true zero-downtime migration there's a challenge It is astounding how many people require 24/7 ops... while working 8/5. Otherwise this comment is an exemplar on how things should be done. My take on this is what OP is a sysadmin, not a dev. *smug smile*

> It is astounding how many people require 24/7 ops

Yet when us-east-1 goes offline, it's mostly just shrug wait for it to come back because it's not our fault...

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Post by lapser »

jjav wrote: post #183
judge2020 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But most companies' dream is to reach that ""inevitable"" point where the cloud saves it; it becomes a bet where they either reach that level of scale, or die trying.

> But most companies' dream is to reach that ""inevitable"" point where the cloud saves it; it becomes a bet where they either reach that level of scale, or die trying. And how many die trying due to bleeding all the funding to AWS, instead of running everything off a couple cheap boxes underneath the CTOs desk? I've been in at least one which ran out of money that way. Don't pay for the future pipedream now, pay for…

AWS gives away literally tens of thousands of pounds to start ups. Granted, it's to lock them in down the line but getting free credits gets you further than not having credits.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Post by zamadatix »

teh_klev wrote: post #218
vidarh wrote: post #40

Yes. I once did zero downtime migration first from AWS to Google, then from Google to Hetzner for a client. Mostly for cost reasons: they had a lot of free credits, and moved to Hetzner when they ran out. Their savings from using the credits were at least 20x what the migrations cost. We did the migration by having reverse proxies in each environment that could proxy to backends each place, set up a VPN between them,…

I hate to be the bean counter, but what was the true cost ultimately? As you and your team's cost as resources. It's nice that you ended up with a provider agnostic capability to deploy anywhere, but none of that was free in terms of ownership costs to get there.

See this older sibling comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30950842

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Post by eric4smith »

lolinder wrote: post #66
eric4smith wrote: post #27

Moved from Google Cloud -> Digital Ocean -> OVH. Running our own stuff on high powered servers is very easy and less trouble than you think. Sorted out the deploy with a "git push" and build container(s) meant we could just "Set it and forget it". We have a bit under a terabyte of Postgresql data. Any cloud is prohibitively expensive. I think some people think that the cloud is as good a sliced bread. It does not rea…

> Really, I can't see a compelling reason to be in the cloud for the majority of mid-level workloads like ours. I work on a very small team. We have a few developers who double as ops. None of us are or want to be sysadmins. For our case, Amazon's ECS is a massive time and money saver. I spent a week or two a few years ago getting all of our services containerized. Since then we have not had a single full production…

I can bet our team is smaller than yours.

And yet… Sysadmin tasks take up maybe 2 hours a month.

Your theory is right though if no one on your team knows how to setup servers. In your case the cloud makes sense.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Post by jaimex2 »

AWS to GCP.

Google sales people made it worth the companies while and it was a good time for us to refactor the orchestration stack. BigQuery is pretty sweet.

Services were done one at a time with a VPN holding the two together till everything was migrated over.

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