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Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by behohippy »

motohagiography wrote: post #278
behohippy wrote: post #13

That's brutal. We're on the other side of it right now trying to get exec and HR to actually commit to something so we can hire remote. We had multiple good people in the pipeline who we had to pass on, because they won't actually say if they'll demand these people move to Toronto (one of the worst housing markets in the world) as soon as they sign the papers. It's like we're supposed to surprise them with that?

Rents and prices in Ontario are absurd and unless a company is offering remote - or is a satellite dev shop for a US company taking advantage of currency and R&D tax credits and can pay US salaries, they just aren't going to be able to be competitive for talent. If your product market is global like any product has to be right now, Toronto is more of a constraint than a strategy. I'd be skeptical of how much leverage…

They don't have any. We're bleeding talent and destroying our pipeline for more. We don't pay well to begin with, so asking people to relocate for a worse quality of life is just ... mind boggling.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by bluefirebrand »

ficklepickle wrote: post #400
bluefirebrand wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to go to a remote first company. How do you even find such a thing without just being super lucky? I'm actually onboarding at a remote position right now where the people I work with are clearly used to everything happening in an office. It's Thursday, I started Monday, and I have spent a grand total of maybe 3 hours speaking to my teammates or direct manager. I've been dumped with a ton of documentation…

Yours is a bad example. I on-boarded at a remote-first company (they were remote pre-COVID) a year ago and my experience was nothing like yours. I was warmly welcomed and immediately partnered with a senior person. People were extremely helpful and if I needed help, people were always open to hopping on a call to get me unstuck. Most people respond to slack messages quickly. The only downside is the codebase/tech sta…

> Yours is a bad example. I on-boarded at a remote-first company (they were remote pre-COVID) a year ago and my experience was nothing like yours.

Mine is not a remote first company, it's a an office-first company that moved to remote for covid and is trying to embrace it.

That's why I was expressing a desire to find a remote-first company instead, to get the kind of experience you are describing.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by emteycz »

bialpio wrote: post #386
bialpio wrote: post #257

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IIRC the transfer can affect the green card process depending on the stage you are at. IANAL, check with your immigration attorney.

(this also assumes that the person is on H-1B and not on L-1, which cannot be transferred)

A person on L-1 should've known they will be moving home soon. This works exactly the same in EU and IMHO it's only logical - you'd be able to skip the usual "queue" otherwise.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by hello_moto »

jordigh wrote: post #328
jrd259 wrote: post #195

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I found Amazon's culture - in particular the relentless obsession with solving actual customer needs - to be a perfect fit for my own engineering training from day one. I was not "molded" to fit it. As I see it, as an engineer I have expertise my customer can't truly know or measure. They really have to trust me. I earn that trust by taking on their problem as if it were my own. That's how I've worked my entire caree…

This reads like a marketer wrote it. "A perfect fit for my own engineering training". It's vague and feel-goody and adulation for the company. What parts of Amazon did you not like?

He's an Engineering Manager of Amazon trying to recruit people for Amazon that is losing people at the moment.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by mcv »

TrueGeek wrote: post #350
mcv wrote: post #120

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> 15 miles from me, which in Atlanta traffic is over an hour. Sounds like bicycle speed.

Welcome to Atlanta. There isn't an easy way to get from Gwinnett to Alpharetta. I did try it via bicycle, and it did take about the same amount of time. But the streets here are vary narrow and southern hospitality ends when you get in a car.

Sounds like a situation asking for some dedicated bike paths. Make it easy for people to bypass the heavy car traffic, maybe even introduce a shortcut from Gwinnett to Alpharetta, and reduce the pressure on the roads.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by sgerenser »

md_ wrote: post #248
uuyi wrote: post #95

> I'm not sure what the compensation model for recruiters is, but it seems to encourage bringing in as many candidates as possible over treating them with honesty and respect. From experience dealing with recruiters for the last 25 years they universally lie to both sides to pocket the commission at all costs. I drove 400 miles once to do an interview for a solution architect position. Got there and the company were…

This is probably more true for headhunters than for in-house recruiters. FAANG mostly (completely?) use in-house.

I’ve had third party recruiters contact me for Amazon roles, although I believe it was mainly sourcing and they passed you off to an internal recruiter if you got past the very basic sourcing screen. Apple, Google, Meta, and Microsoft were all internal-only in my experience.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by JimTheMan »

Zak wrote: post #244
marcosdumay wrote: post #209

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> Do people sign a contract that states something differently than they were being told verbally before? Yes. All the time. And verbal agreements are valid contracts too, if you can prove they exist (but good luck in that). Anyway, this particular case looks more like the OP believed on the promises of a 3rd party (the recruiter), so it's not actually a contract.

It would surprise me very much if the written contract didn't have a provision about superseding any previous agreement.

"Entire Agreement" clauses are quite common.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by davidguetta »

no-s wrote: post #256
uuyi wrote: post #95

> I'm not sure what the compensation model for recruiters is, but it seems to encourage bringing in as many candidates as possible over treating them with honesty and respect. From experience dealing with recruiters for the last 25 years they universally lie to both sides to pocket the commission at all costs. I drove 400 miles once to do an interview for a solution architect position. Got there and the company were…

I drove to LA once to do an interview the next day after confirming with the in-house recruiter. When I got there they told me they didn’t think I was actually coming because they had already hired someone. Also they didn’t want to pay expenses despite offering to do so in their letter to me. So I called up a consultant firm I knew in LA and sez, “hey I’m in town interviewing at X for Y, but I don’t like them and I w…

did it work ?

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by ipaddr »

smus wrote: post #310
softwarebeware wrote: post #199

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Here is why: extraverts who need constant hyperactive human interaction are the only people psychopathic enough to ascend into the leadership tiers that make decisions about remote vs. in-person. So they just can't, and I mean CAN'T, handle the idea of all-remote. At all.

I'd think introversion correlates more with psychopathy than extroversion

That story is told by an extrovert.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by Cabal »

bogota wrote: post #279
mabbo wrote: post #45

When I went looking for a fully remote position last year, I was worried that exactly this might happen. Then I heard that Shopify had literally shut down and sold their offices. It's not actually possible for the company to go back to the office because they don't exist. So that's where I work now.

I am in this process now. Only looking for companies without offices and who will put in my contract that I never have to come in even if they do buy one. I am beyond sick of my current company pretending like everything is going to go back to normal one day. We have 75% of people working from home although not labeled remote and maybe 25% back in some offices. The CEO pushing that we are an office company has destro…

> I am beyond sick of my current company pretending like everything is going to go back to normal one day.

> management has refused to accept the current situation

You don't state what country you're in, but in the US, the pandemic is effectively over. Everyone (that wants to be) is well-vaccinated, many 3 or 4x, Omicron blew through the country and left us mostly unscathed, and the news hasn't talked about daily numbers in at least two months. There is little reason to wear a mask indoors unless you want to lessen your chances of catching the flu - which is ticking up a bit.

We probably don't meet the scientific/medical definition of the end of a pandemic, but socially, we're there.

However, if you're in the US and still feeling this way, you may be suffering from some low-grade PTSD. Don't be afraid to reach out for help.

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