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We’ve got a science opportunity overload: Launching the Wolfram Institute

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Re: We’ve got a science opportunity overload: Launching the Wolfram Institute

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> Something remarkable has happened these past two years. For 45 years I’ve devoted myself to building a taller and taller tower of science and technology—which along the way has delivered many outputs of which I’m quite proud. But starting in 2020 with the unexpected breakthroughs of our Wolfram Physics Project we’ve jumped to a whole new level. And suddenly—yes, building on our multi-decade tower—it seems as if we’…

I'd say that gradient descent and deep learning have made obsolete whatever cellular automata stuff Wolfram has come up with. Neural nets can approximate any function. Cellular automata has a much more limited range that only includes the generation of some interesting pictures and not much else of interest, IMHO. To be charitable, if he had some way to mathematically slide between and combine networks of cellular au…

Cellular automata can be Turing complete, so they cover at least the entire range of a neural net, and more if it's not recurrent.

Re: We’ve got a science opportunity overload: Launching the Wolfram Institute

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You can be passionate and arrogant.

Is arrogance a fatal flaw? Can we not look past it and appreciate the wisdom and ideas?

Arrogance is not a flaw as far as public perception is concerned. Look at actors, sports personalities, and musicians; however, in this case, we have someone who is working on his cockamamie theories without the support of the scientific community, and the arrogance just wraps everything up in an awful package.

It is a shame because Stephen Wolfram is immensely gifted and has already achieved what many of us in the tech world can only dream about. Mathematica, despite all its flaws, is a fantastic piece of software. Wolfram has no need to scream "I've revolutionized physics!" to the four winds. It's tragic to see an exceptional mind descend into madness.

Re: We’ve got a science opportunity overload: Launching the Wolfram Institute

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My problem with Wolfram is that every time I hear him talk or read him, I end up spending 15-20 minutes and come out the other end confused. I studied physics in my undergrad, I have a graduate degree in math, I've shipped large features on planet-scale systems. I'm no genius, certainly nowhere close to Dr. Wolfram, but I don't think I'm far from your average HN reader in reading comprehension ability. I've read 35 p…

He writes in a very marketing-informed way. He clearly point to (his) previous work, clearly and repeatedly remembers the reader how amazing is the things he is trying to do, and shameless link (both in text and via hiperlinks) to his own enterprises and current initiatives. I suppose this is some kind of mental template he uses when writing (think about someone writing a paper: the forma and hidden rules, the necess…

> He writes in a very marketing-informed way.

I'm going to borrow this phrase. I always struggle with dismissing BS without being abrasive.

Re: We’ve got a science opportunity overload: Launching the Wolfram Institute

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That's a reasonable question.. I think it's worth considering the users of Mathematica as near or overlapping. It might be possible to go through GitHub and find the number of Mathematica projects and then categorize them to get an approximation. Also, this is very tenuous, but I see a lot of similarity between Wolfram's automata (not this new work) and Lattice Boltzmann methods. Both have been around since the 70s/8…

> I think it's worth considering the users of Mathematica as near or overlapping. Mathematica predates any kind of statement of NKS by over a decade (and SMP nearly a decade before that). Moreover, I don't see any evidence Mathematica is becoming more "NKS-y" over time; it's a usual sort of moribund enterprise tooling, just for a highly selective enterprise. I don't see any real connection, other than some possible p…

I didn't know about SMP. Cool!

Yeah, NKS clearly came after Mathematica, but I think there's a strong through-line there that goes back to his early work and connects directly to this meta-math stuff he's doing now.

The core language is a pattern matching substitution system, and that's what he eventually distills into his 1d automata and then generalizes to meta-math.

"at the core of Mathematica is the notion of storing collections of rules in which each rule specifies how to transform all pieces of data that are similar enough to match a single Mathematica pattern. And the success of Mathematica provides considerable evidence for the power of this kind of approach." https://www.wolframscience.com/nks/p627--human-thinking/

It's been a while since I read NKS but I recall him saying he started playing with automata earlier and getting some of the ideas for NKS then, but then did Wolfram Research/Mathematica for some time while he was noodling. I think that's kinda supported by his timeline:

  https://www.wolframscience.com/nks/notes-1-4--timeline/
  
Indeed there is not much for Mathematica physics on GitHub:

  7,833 repos using Mathematica [1]
  363 repos of that containing "physics" [2]
I expect that's a pretty heavy undercount as they've not pursued open-source. That's disappointing to me and I agree they missed out on a lot; I think those two are strongly connected. But also he kept his business afloat and did crazy (good) science on the side.

Did find this though. Looks neat!

https://github.com/FeynCalc/feyncalc maintained by: https://github.com/vsht

[1] https://github.com/search?q=language%3AMathematica&type=Repo... [2] https://github.com/search?q=language%3AMathematica+physics&t...

Re: We’ve got a science opportunity overload: Launching the Wolfram Institute

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I'm not knowledgeable enough to have an opinion on the physics project, but I find it interesting how polarized HN is about it. For some people it's a whole new world that will lead to new findings, for others it seems like they compare it to them having invented a new language and acting busy "translating" everything that was already discovered to this new language and being surprised they can. Funny how even mathem…

You raise an interesting issue. If we can accept that substantive scientists vary in their involvement in self-marketing, does the degree one engages in popular self-marketing affect the kind of attention one receives? And the validity of criticism within that attention set? Related to your point, if Wolfram hadn’t had the history he did, would Hacker News general suspicious reaction still be present? And would his s…

> Related to your point, if Wolfram hadn’t had the history he did, would Hacker News general suspicious reaction still be present?

Without Wolfram's history, would he even be mentioned here?

Re: We’ve got a science opportunity overload: Launching the Wolfram Institute

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Man these are some low-quality comments. You’d think Wolfram was torturing gerbils or something. I don’t mind criticisms of my favorite thinkers. I enjoy watching someone being taken to task in the battle of ideas so to speak, but apparently something about Wolfram just rubs people the wrong way, because they seem to lose the ability to make cogent arguments after reading him. As a simple example of what a healthy di…

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Re: We’ve got a science opportunity overload: Launching the Wolfram Institute

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Man these are some low-quality comments. You’d think Wolfram was torturing gerbils or something. I don’t mind criticisms of my favorite thinkers. I enjoy watching someone being taken to task in the battle of ideas so to speak, but apparently something about Wolfram just rubs people the wrong way, because they seem to lose the ability to make cogent arguments after reading him. As a simple example of what a healthy di…

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Re: We’ve got a science opportunity overload: Launching the Wolfram Institute

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Lots of comments about his "arrogance" but i just see someone passionate, judge for yourself! He has three long interviews on Lex Fridmans youtube channel! I greatly enjoyed watching those those. 1:[Stephen Wolfram: Cellular Automata, Computation, and Physics]( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez773teNFYA ) 2:[Stephen Wolfram: Fundamental Theory of Physics, Life, and the Universe]( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t1_…

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Re: We’ve got a science opportunity overload: Launching the Wolfram Institute

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> Something remarkable has happened these past two years. For 45 years I’ve devoted myself to building a taller and taller tower of science and technology—which along the way has delivered many outputs of which I’m quite proud. But starting in 2020 with the unexpected breakthroughs of our Wolfram Physics Project we’ve jumped to a whole new level. And suddenly—yes, building on our multi-decade tower—it seems as if we’…

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Re: We’ve got a science opportunity overload: Launching the Wolfram Institute

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I mean, I studied maths and physics at uni. My recollection is that science is littered with things named after specific people when in actual fact multiple people put in hours and hours of work to making these discoveries. But only one name gets slapped on it. ‘Maxwell’s’ equations are a great example. Calculus is also a prime example (d/dx f(x) vs f’(x)). I’m pretty sure Gauss was a fantastic mathematician, but too…

John von Nuemann comes to mind, Edison of course... seems history is written by the patent submitters

> John von Nuemann

Are you saying that some of the work attributed to Neumann was not his? Are there any examples?

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