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Re: Ask HN: How do you avoid video game addiction?

#111
Channel your energy into real life. Sounds easier than it might be, and I would be naive to believe everyone has the same experience with gaming..

..but at some point I lead an ruthless clan of hundreds of people who would considerably push the limits of the servers rules. Some of them cheated, and they were ostracized (or just hid it really well). This all took place inside a server of a well known game but not very well known multiplayer mod for the game.

I realize this might not answer your question at all, but I’ve been itching to share this story to a while. I told myself I should write a blog post about this, but there are so many fine details that I’ll leave out of this comment that it will take some commitment for a full write-up.

Anyways, it took loads of time and energy to manage the people, ensure resources were properly distributed, and formulate ways to create internal conflicts within the organization to weed out those who did not reciprocate. I was young and didn’t really think how much of a jerk I was being, but I realize that now.

At a certain point I realized I had a significant addiction. Maybe it was the game, but it was probably the power I had in the organization. I tried cutting the activity out of my life, but that just left a gaping void in my life. This wasn’t a substance addiction where I was losing friends or making life effecting choices (other than the amount of time I didn’t spend on studies or a job). It felt like the more time and energy I spent in this role, the more my social bubble grew, and the more respect I gained from the admins of the server. There was a lot of politics, a lot of time spent protecting the image of the organization, and even some clandestine operations where my organization would, at the request of certain admins, target other groups who were blatantly breaking the rules, and rejoining after a few hours (or however long it took for their ISP to change their IP) under different names.

Granted my organization did not always follow the rules, I always made a thorough attempt at explaining the actions of our members, and made concerted efforts to appeal to the public (of the server) why our actions were justified. We had what we called a “legal department” which would direct accused members to remain quite during reports on the forums and let us handle the communications.

From this experience I learned a great deal about how to handle conflicts, how to operate just within the confines of regulations, and (probably the most enriching part) communicating with people who spoke very little English. Also made some great friends along the way that I still talk to on-and-off to this day.

All in all it was a really significant learning experience for me. I eventually started a media blog with one of my in-person friends, and had a huge international marketing base to generate the first thousand or so clicks from. I also learned a thing or two about workplace politics, in that (sometimes) it’s better to bring your issues to those above the issue. Other times it’s best to remain quiet and do what you know works. Some other things I learned was that there is always someone with more power than you (server admins, your bosses boss) and that you should probably show a little respect to that person (whether or not you actually respect them). One of my biggest take-aways from this experience is that if you keep working at something, no matter how badly you think you are doing at it, you’ll eventually look back and say “hey, I did that!”.

Best of luck to you, addiction is something many people struggle with in many different ways. I think that acknowledging that there might be an issue is a huge step in the right direction.

Who knows, you might find yourself looking back years from now in appreciation of all the time you “wasted” playing a video games, in some strange way.

(Please excuse any typos or incorrect grammar, I wrote this haste-fully(?) between calls.)

P.S. “DMH 4 Lyfe” :)

Re: Ask HN: How do you avoid video game addiction?

#112

If you self-admit it was an unhealthy habit, then I'd be cautious about going back to it. Addiction is not something a person should be willing to edge into, and if you think it's an addictive behaviour, then it probably is. Definitely make sure it is not affecting your marriage or job, that would be a key metric to know for sure if it's an addition and not just a source of entertainment.

Both were affected for sure. Marriage is now recovering and I changed to a better job recently but I was warned many times in my former job

I don't know that you should get relationship advice around computer gaming from some random dude from hackernews, but if you're willing to hear it anyway, I'd communicate your struggle with your spouse - it's very important she understands your struggles and concerns, and can help you. With that, maybe work on figuring out if you're using gaming as a way to relax or a way to escape. If it's escape, what are you escaping? Maybe that's the sort of self reflection you should do, and the sort of topics you want to talk to your wife about. Being a team is hard. I've been married 10 years, and we just had our first son this year, so I'm at least not talking out of my butt.

Re: Ask HN: How do you avoid video game addiction?

#113
I'm not a psychologist but my understanding is that addiction and destructive habits usually have a deeper underlying cause. Gaming itself is not a problem of course but excessive gaming is.

Perhaps instead of tackling it head on, it would be valuable to observe the problem and ask yourself "what could be causing this?" are you using games to fill a void? Perhaps there is a romantic/professional issue that you don't want to deal with? Maybe you are struggling financially? Of course I won't pretend to know but you this could be an interesting psychological exercise..

My point is that, if you want to change your behavior, you need to grasp two important points:

1. We can "hack" our brains 2. Very few of our traits are "permanent", thus it is futile to "label" oneself.

I've personally used the above to change many of my own habits: improving my social skills, improving my relationships, learning to exercise, etc. We often forget that we are incredibly adaptable creatures.

I highly recommend that you checkout https://fs.blog/mental-models/ regarding various mental models, it could be a great starting point for you.

The last thing I will remind you is: be kind and patient with yourself because change happens slowly!

Re: Ask HN: How do you avoid video game addiction?

#114

Channel your energy into real life. Sounds easier than it might be, and I would be naive to believe everyone has the same experience with gaming.. ..but at some point I lead an ruthless clan of hundreds of people who would considerably push the limits of the servers rules. Some of them cheated, and they were ostracized (or just hid it really well). This all took place inside a server of a well known game but not very…

I’ll take a stab at answering your question directly..

..I still play games from time to time, but for a while it felt like I was just falling back into the same traps. I’d play late into the night and wake up feeling like shit for work the next day.

The way I combat this is by only playing when I’ve gotten in touch with an old friend and want to share an experience with them, finding a game that I can spin up a server on and learn about what it takes to manage that sort of server or community, or when my kid invites me to play.

A healthy amount of gaming is possible, but for me I need to be able to tell myself I’m bringing some enrichment to my life by playing.

Hope this is a bit more helpful than my previous rant.

Re: Ask HN: How do you avoid video game addiction?

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you are being downvoted, as I find your reasoning valid. My SO was never keen on the idea of having children. I thought I wanted to have children 5 years ago, but it was really just a default society behavior, not something I had stopped to think. When I had no more excuses to delay having kids (healthy, married, stable job, two real estate properties) I really gave it a thought and concluded I didn'…

Thanks. It's a serious answer. Seriously. If you don't have kids, and not extremely enthusiastic about your work, you will end up having a life purpose problem. Having kids really solves that. I do feel raising kids well is the most valuable thing I do with my life. Of course I am just a regular guy with a professional job which I do love, but not extremely successfully or something. You will understand more when you…

Yes! I am also a regular guy, I actually feel a bit below average reading HN, since I live in Germany and don't earn that much compared to US or even UK salaries. But I also don't spend a lot :)

I have many (attainable) goals for when I hit 40, one of them is to be totally financially independent (passive sources of income > monthly expenses). After that I'd love to try a different industry altogether from tech, very likely starting a small, "boring" but low risk business. Not with the goal of getting rich of course. Just because I don't see myself in the tech treadmill my entire life.

But yes what to do in my old age was a big consideration for me when I pondered about having children and my conclusion was that it was not worth to invest so much resources (time and money) into children in the present when I'm still young and with energy, just for having something to do 20 years in the future. Also take into account children will eventually leave home so I'd still be on my own when I'm 60 and older, with or without children.

I have great respect for people that have children and I actually think me and my SO are selfish and probably narcissists. But we only have one life and having children is not a decision you can undo.

Re: Ask HN: How do you avoid video game addiction?

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post #9

If you really need to stop, use cheats. That will break the dopamine cycle and you’ll be free. Maybe it also works to limit play time to healthy levels. For example, I was once playing quite a bit of WoW, and after I trying it out on an unofficial server where I could teleport anywhere made the game lose all its appeal.

Cheats are not enabled in multiplayer mode (which is the addicting one for me)

I have this same hyper competitive drive. Dungeons and Dragons somehow scratches this same competitive itch without the toxicity. There’s a cap on how much time I can play because I have to get a group of people together to play it.

Re: Ask HN: How do you avoid video game addiction?

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post #9

If you really need to stop, use cheats. That will break the dopamine cycle and you’ll be free. Maybe it also works to limit play time to healthy levels. For example, I was once playing quite a bit of WoW, and after I trying it out on an unofficial server where I could teleport anywhere made the game lose all its appeal.

Worked for me with Simpsons Tapped Out. I loaded a cracked version that let me have everything I wanted for free. Very quickly lost its appeal. I broke a 6-month, 7-sessions-a-day habit in about 3 days.

Re: Ask HN: How do you avoid video game addiction?

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post #24

>According to Steam I played over 2.000 hours during 2020 and 2021. Less than three hours a day for passive recreation is hardly out of line with modern western lifestyles. The average American spends more than that watching television. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2021-07-22/... I obviously wouldn't want to deter anybody from productive work in favor of entertainment, but physical and mental rest…

A lot of that TV watching is TV on background. That is not the same as compulsive TV watching where you can't stop despite feeling affected.

Re: Ask HN: How do you avoid video game addiction?

#120
post #9

If you really need to stop, use cheats. That will break the dopamine cycle and you’ll be free. Maybe it also works to limit play time to healthy levels. For example, I was once playing quite a bit of WoW, and after I trying it out on an unofficial server where I could teleport anywhere made the game lose all its appeal.

Uhhh I did this back when I was an infant (probably 12 or something I'd play games with cheats) and to this day I can't derive any enjoyment from most games. Cheats really do ruin it for some.
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