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Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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That's probably something that should be discussed with the employer early - just bring it up casually on the first meeting with them, and then you're sure.

And of course, how many days a week you should be in office, and how many days remote should be in the contract too. Usually I would also ask what are the working hours and add this to the contract, because the clearer everybody's expectations are, the better it will be for you and the company.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

#192

If you get to the point you get an offer, always make sure to get that in the contract. I was working remotely for a company that went through some re-org and ended up with a different manager who wasn't very excited about having remote team members. Unfortunately for him it was part of my contract so he couldn't force me to relocate.

Very few workers in the U.S. have actual employment contracts. If you work in the tech sector in the U.S. you almost certainly don't. Instead, your employment is "at-will"; i.e. terminable by either party, with or without cause or notice (unless you live and work in Montana). You may have received a written offer of employment when you were hired (outlining your title, salary, hiring bonuses, etc.), but that is not a…

You're right. But at least you would have enough proof to seriously damage their reputation in case they change the terms in the letter. I'd like to believe they would care about that, especially in tech where everybody is struggling to hire good employees.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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scene, ten years ago I apply for a job at a university. Job description says a college degree is required. I state in the cover letter that I do not have a degree, but hoped my experience would make up for it. HR emails a few days later. Phone interview? I disclose NoDegree. Not a problem, she says. Phone interview with her goes fine. She passes me off to the department and a C-level dude who apparently has to sign o…

You likely made the degree a deciding factor by voluntarily raising it as an issue with every single person you spoke to.

In the future, I would suggest not even mentioning that you don’t have a degree (unless there’s a legal/licensing requirement for one).

Simply do not include an “education” section on your resume.

You’re not being dishonest, and given sufficient work experience, most people won’t even notice the section’s absence. The few that do notice, won’t care.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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And?

Can confirmed the others that pointed out ex-Amazonians aren't pleasure to work with/for. Will avoid 10/10. I believe they were molded to survive the Amazon culture, unfortunately.

I found Amazon's culture - in particular the relentless obsession with solving actual customer needs - to be a perfect fit for my own engineering training from day one. I was not "molded" to fit it. As I see it, as an engineer I have expertise my customer can't truly know or measure. They really have to trust me. I earn that trust by taking on their problem as if it were my own. That's how I've worked my entire career, and that's what I love about the parts of Amazon I have actually observed.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Sorry for you to be in that situation. Unsolicited advice for next time: interview with several companies and get multiple offers. The additional leverage would have definitely strengthened your position in this and also would have given you more options in case things turned out equally disappointing with employer A.

Many people are not really in the position to just go and get multiple (in this case remote) job offers.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

#197

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> One FAANG I wouldn't work at under any circumstances. Uh Amazon? I hope it's Amazon, not Facebook. > One FAANG has been very clear that they want employees on site. Both Netflix and Apple. > One FAANG has a recruiting proc where you are hired once you pass the interviews, you can figure out your team later. Google? > One FAANG doesn't really fit in the FAANG acronym. Amazon? Apple? Facebook because they've changed…

>One FAANG has a recruiting proc where you are hired once you pass the interviews, you can figure out your team later. I suppose Google fits here, but Facebook is even stronger in that you generally have to accept the offer not knowing what you're going to work on and team match after boot camp.

This is really not true for either. You can be pre-assigned teams before bootcamp/hiring in both. Many/most don't. And sometimes the pre-allocated team does not exist anymore when you finally show up to work.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

#198

FAANG recruiters will lie with a straight face. Not surprised at all by this.

You can remove FAANG from that statement without reducing its correctness. The recruiting business is like the used car business -- there are good recruiters out there, but the odds aren't fantastic that the one you're talking to is in that group.

When you find a recruiter that is honest and genuinely wants what's in the best interest of all concerned, hang onto them. Keep in touch with them. When you're thinking about changing things up, make them your first call. They are gold.

Treat all others with great care and suspicion.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Focusing on remote-only, remote-first, remote-from-scratch companies is how I ended up at my current, and literally best company I've ever worked for, gig. Obviously the pool of such companies is smaller than in-person and they tend to have more competition for roles, but my unscientific guess is that pool is growing larger. Bonus points for those companies because they didn't have to "figure it out" or change upper…

I am still flabbergasted that more companies have not gotten it through their skulls yet. Even if you keep an office, all-remote is simply a better model. Not only do you have access to a global labor pool (including the best candidates), the communication is better and work is more flexible (which literally everyone appreciates), you can lower overhead or even hire people for less based on location. The only major d…

Here is why: extraverts who need constant hyperactive human interaction are the only people psychopathic enough to ascend into the leadership tiers that make decisions about remote vs. in-person.

So they just can't, and I mean CAN'T, handle the idea of all-remote.

At all.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

#200

Recruiters and hiring teams are hardly ever on the same page. Always get your information straight from the company, not a third party that is enticed to land interviews for higher chance of converting to landing a candidate. I do think the bait and switch of offering employees who entered the workforce full time employment and then asking them to come into the office two years later is disgusting. There's something…

"Always get your information straight from the company"

I remember the hiring manager walking me out of a prospective employer's high security area after a really successful interview, and I asked him in the hallway about the full employee conversion process. He said the entire team is interviewing to keep their current jobs and they'd be shutting down their office to consolidate on the east coast. No way I'd accept after that. I still wonder if he was lying to me since I've talked to their kubernetes people at DevOps Days, so I know they have a team here still.

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