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Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by qbasic_forever »

> I'm not sure what the compensation model for recruiters is, but it seems to encourage bringing in as many candidates as possible over treating them with honesty and respect.

This is exactly how it works, recruiters don't get paid unless they get a candidate hired. Despite all the words they write and say to you, they only care about getting you and the hiring manager to say yes and _everything_ else doesn't matter or is immaterial to them.

Unfortunately it's nothing new to see recruiters being less than honest. In their defense, right now is a weird time with many companies who were firmly in the remote only culture now backtracking and reopening again. It could be the case when this position opened things were much different with its requirements.

But ultimately never trust a thing a recruiter says unless it is signed in writing from your hiring manager/HR of the company. Never believe anything they say about compensation, the future of the company or your position, etc. Never.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by seabrookmx »

whimsicalism wrote: post #58
nineplay wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still holding on to a slight hope that the recruiter will find a hiring manager willing to override the committee and all of my time and effort will not have been wasted. They said they'd keep looking but they were probably just trying to get me off the phone. I'll put it this way. One FAANG I wouldn't work at under any circumstances. One FAANG has been very clear that they want employees on site. One FAANG has a…

> One FAANG I wouldn't work at under any circumstances. Uh Amazon? I hope it's Amazon, not Facebook. > One FAANG has been very clear that they want employees on site. Both Netflix and Apple. > One FAANG has a recruiting proc where you are hired once you pass the interviews, you can figure out your team later. Google? > One FAANG doesn't really fit in the FAANG acronym. Amazon? Apple? Facebook because they've changed…

I'd guess Microsoft.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

jdhn wrote: post #18
version_five wrote: post #10

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Why? This isn't Twitter, piling on a company doesn't add much to the discussion, it just lets people focus their outrage better

Because companies going back on their word during the hiring process is a bad thing. It's a bait and switch.

This has happened to a number of folks that I have known over the years, and long predates remote work.

I have known many people that have picked up and moved across the country for "the dream job," only to return, a couple of months later, tail between their legs, because the job turned out to be unsuitable in any of a dozen different ways (usually, it was because the duties did not match what they were told, but I know of at least one case, where the pay was drastically reduced, or they were hired as a contractor, even though they were told it was a salaried employee of the corporation).

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by quartesixte »

> When they pointed out they had been hired as remotes they were met with a collective shrug - the job opening didn't say remote, the agreement they signed didn't say remote.

While I wish we could live in a world where people would uphold their word, alas. If it’s not written down on paper it might as well not be real.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by jhatemyjob »

cheeze wrote: post #63
aaomidi wrote: post #48

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Yeah but you're also amazon

And?

Amazon trains its employees to be back stabbers. I'm at the point where if I see a long stint Amazon on your resume, I count that as a point against you, because if we work together, you're probably gonna try to give me the runaround and/or fuck me over.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by diehunde »

If you get to the point you get an offer, always make sure to get that in the contract. I was working remotely for a company that went through some re-org and ended up with a different manager who wasn't very excited about having remote team members. Unfortunately for him it was part of my contract so he couldn't force me to relocate.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by aaomidi »

cheeze wrote: post #63
aaomidi wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but you're also amazon

And?

https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/amazons-controversial-hire-to...

I don't think most of us want to go for the lottery.

Also:

Majority of amazon alumni I've had experience with (to be fair it's not a lot) has been extremely toxic and a they've been a jerk. I don't blame the individuals. They are probably required to be a jerk to survive at Amazon and unlearning that is hard as fuck.

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