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Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Recruiter could have left, they could have been told it was Remote and the company changed their minds later, could have been a simple mistake. Why burn a company without knowing the facts?

The company and only the company could have prevented it, but they didn’t.

Yep. I don't care what the reasoning behind the scenes is. I care that a candidate got bamboozled.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

#62
This happened to me. The interview process went well but the company's closest office was 15 miles from me, which in Atlanta traffic is over an hour. I said I would need to be remote, they wanted me in the office full time. We were using an external recruiter, which I had never done before. Eventually the recruiter negotiated that I'd be onsite for the first month for onboarding and then remote after that.

My first week I mentioned something to my boss about being remote after the first month and he had no idea. The recruiter had simply lied about "negotiating" so that I'd accept the offer.

Luckily it all worked out. Although company policy was officially no work from home, my directly manager didn't care at all. And shortly after corona hit and they company ended up going 100% remote anyway.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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This is just another thing in a long line of scrupulous things that recruiters do. If bad actors will edit your resume before sending it in then lying about the remote nature of a job is just another part of that. Which FAANG? Name and shame.

I'm still holding on to a slight hope that the recruiter will find a hiring manager willing to override the committee and all of my time and effort will not have been wasted. They said they'd keep looking but they were probably just trying to get me off the phone. I'll put it this way. One FAANG I wouldn't work at under any circumstances. One FAANG has been very clear that they want employees on site. One FAANG has a…

I don't really feel like solving a riddle.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

#65
Spray and pray works until your reputation takes a hit. Recruiters definitely have incentive for quantity over quality and are basically the sales branch of HR. They're your friend just as much as the croupier is. Just business.

Not sure what the solution for us is. Having someone promise you something that is totally disconnected from what you later receive in writing reeks of exploitation of your sunk cost. Not accepting it is the first necessary step.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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post #8

You definitely need to name the company that did this.

Why? This isn't Twitter, piling on a company doesn't add much to the discussion, it just lets people focus their outrage better

It'd be really valuable for me, personally. I suspect I know the company (Google) as I'd seen a Glassdoor review mentioning the same thing. It'd be really nice to know if the sample size is > 1 as I'm considering going through the application process myself and this would suck.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

#67

This is just another thing in a long line of scrupulous things that recruiters do. If bad actors will edit your resume before sending it in then lying about the remote nature of a job is just another part of that. Which FAANG? Name and shame.

I'm still holding on to a slight hope that the recruiter will find a hiring manager willing to override the committee and all of my time and effort will not have been wasted. They said they'd keep looking but they were probably just trying to get me off the phone. I'll put it this way. One FAANG I wouldn't work at under any circumstances. One FAANG has been very clear that they want employees on site. One FAANG has a…

Can you just name companies? You haven't given any personally identifiable information and you're not the only person given an offer from a FAANG recently. It's also not unique to say you'd never work at Amazon/Netflix/Apple/FB (like me). I'd only work for google if it were fully remote, and it would be super helpful to know if your experience was with google

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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>I'm not sure what the compensation model for recruiters is, but it seems to encourage bringing in as many candidates as possible over treating them with honesty and respect.

There is no downside to them for getting you to interview. The best case is you decide non-remote isn't a deal breaker after all and they get the commission; the worst case is you decline the job and the recruiter finds another candidate.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

#69
Sorry for you to be in that situation. Unsolicited advice for next time: interview with several companies and get multiple offers. The additional leverage would have definitely strengthened your position in this and also would have given you more options in case things turned out equally disappointing with employer A.
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