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Re: Ask HN: Would a universal basic income lead to inflation?

#21
If UBI is setup as more of a survival supplement than an amount of money desireable to live on entirely, then no.

It also has to offset benefits received from other programs like welfare, unemployment to help cover the cost.

IMO $700 / month is about the right number where it helps with basic needs and dry spells but isn’t so much that you’re incentivized to withdraw from the job market entirely.

At the same time, minimum wage can go away entirely if UBI is in place since the UBI doesn’t go away like unemployment the moment you have a paycheck. You work to earn more, not trade income sources.

Re: Ask HN: Would a universal basic income lead to inflation?

#22

If we print money to fund it, yes. If we fund with taxes without printing money, then no.

Was about to comment exactly this. The question makes no sense, whether or not inflation happens has nothing to do with universal basic income itself, it's a question of where the money comes from.

Re: Ask HN: Would a universal basic income lead to inflation?

#23
post #19

Dependes on how is the plan to achieve it. If enough people keeps on working to produce enough stuff for everyone who want to buy it.

Exactly. With the ongoing disaster of COVID Bucks, I can't believe people aren't embarrassed enough that they still want to bring UBI up.

The disaster of employers having to raise their standards (and wages) to actually attract workers?

Re: Ask HN: Would a universal basic income lead to inflation?

#24
Humans will always find ways to game a system and buy those that could control their lives in ways they dont want their life controlled.

Now a universal basic income is like a tax rebate without having to do any work in the first place. If one is introduced, taxes will go up, inflation will go up and society might or might not become more cohesive. It really depends on how the media decide to manipulate society.

Re: Ask HN: Would a universal basic income lead to inflation?

#25
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not an argument. At best it's reductio ad absurdum, but where's the argument? It wouldn't change the value of zero, because even if it devalued the dollar heavily everyone still has something. There's no attempt in that argument to say why it would change the "value of zero".

Essentially if everyone had $1000 extra then everything would cost $1000 extra. So if you went from 0 to $1000, you'd just be left with $1000 and nothing to spend it on. You can't eat money.

The question is where did you get the $1,000 from. If you print money to build a bridge then you can argue that building a bridge caused inflation, but it wasn’t the bridge that was at fault.

Re: Ask HN: Would a universal basic income lead to inflation?

#26
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not an argument. At best it's reductio ad absurdum, but where's the argument? It wouldn't change the value of zero, because even if it devalued the dollar heavily everyone still has something. There's no attempt in that argument to say why it would change the "value of zero".

Essentially if everyone had $1000 extra then everything would cost $1000 extra. So if you went from 0 to $1000, you'd just be left with $1000 and nothing to spend it on. You can't eat money.

There is no argument here -- why would everything cost $1000 extra?

You just said "then". Where is the argument?

So if I earn $500 now, and buy 500 lollipops at $1 each.

If everyone gets $1000 as UBI, then those 500 lollipops will cost ... $1001 each and $501000 in total?

Isn't that absurd?

That is what the sentence "everything will cost $1000 extra" means, and the only way "raising the value of zero" makes mathematical sense.

What is probably meant here -- that the sum of what you buy will be $1000 more in total -- is accurarely captured by the term "inflation" in the OP.

But then the statement "raise value of zero" does not make sense.

Re: Ask HN: Would a universal basic income lead to inflation?

#27
Inflation is a scalar measure of a vector valued phenomena. It is usually scalarized using a basket of goods. The impact on the basket of goods people will buy if there is a basic income is hard to model and will likely be bigger then whatever monetary effects an UBI causes. Here are some random predictions anyway:

Subpar food prices will fall until that industry dies. Value items will become more expensive until the demands of everyone being able to afford them is satisfied. Prices for luxury goods will fall, some luxury industries might die. Automation will become more prevalent and cheaper. Car and gas prices will fall as people are less reliant to drive to far away work places. Consumer electronic prices will rise for entertainment related things and fall for things like dish washers. Culture will become cheaper. Land value will fall while houses become more expensive.

Re: Ask HN: Would a universal basic income lead to inflation?

#28
As I understand it, basically if it is financed by taxes, or even non-FRS backed debt then probably no. This is simply redistribution of goods, so total number of goods stays unchanged.

If we issue more money, it could lead to inflation, but not necessary. This is unrelated to if we spend it on UBI or not.

Re: Ask HN: Would a universal basic income lead to inflation?

#29
There is a distinction between "price inflation" and "inflation". Even the Federal Reserve allows for this distinction.

>A historical look at the origin and uses of the word inflation, arguing that although the term has become nearly synonymous with "price increase," its original meaning—a rise in the general price level caused by an imbalance between the quantity of money and trade needs—is the definition driving many of those who advocate an anti-inflation policy for the Federal Reserve.

https://www.clevelandfed.org/en/newsroom-and-events/publicat...

That said, even if the actual supply of money (literally inflation) is not increased, if there is more money available for spending by lower income individuals, it stands to reason that price inflation would follow in the sectors of the economy which they participate.

Re: Ask HN: Would a universal basic income lead to inflation?

#30
post #7

One of the arguments I’ve heard is that if you give $1,000 to everyone who has zero dollars, you’ve just raised the value of zero.

That's not an argument. At best it's reductio ad absurdum, but where's the argument? It wouldn't change the value of zero, because even if it devalued the dollar heavily everyone still has something. There's no attempt in that argument to say why it would change the "value of zero".

> It wouldn't change the value of zero, because even if it devalued the dollar heavily everyone still has something.

Yes, the value of some ink and paper.

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