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Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Post by nijave »

OliverGilan wrote: post #58
tinco wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did you feel IBM is best when you only use K8S? Our platform fully K8S and I'm looking to somewhere where we get more performance per buck, probably not IBM but I'm surprised it's even in the list. Do they have an extra nice K8S dashboard or something?

Second this question. Never heard of IBM being exceptional for k8s. Curious to know what makes OP say it’s so good.

Maybe they're using Openshift (OKD). Openshift has a bunch of value add features they add a template marketplace and turn it into a hybrid PaaS with some other multitenancy management bits afaik

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Post by yonixw »

OliverGilan wrote: post #58
tinco wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did you feel IBM is best when you only use K8S? Our platform fully K8S and I'm looking to somewhere where we get more performance per buck, probably not IBM but I'm surprised it's even in the list. Do they have an extra nice K8S dashboard or something?

Second this question. Never heard of IBM being exceptional for k8s. Curious to know what makes OP say it’s so good.

Hi, I was in an IBM Startup Accelerator. I just got the feeling that they were pushing for it hardcore. Gave us startup credit, free training and free premium support for K8s. So If you want to go with K8s and you are a Startup, that is the best offering I experienced.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Post by nijave »

safeerm wrote: post #56
hpeinar wrote: post #26

Moved a project with around 600k monthly users from Heroku / Google (split setup) to full AWS setup. Whole process took around 3 months, that was from start of creating AWS account to finish when all production environments were running on AWS and Heroku was "shut down". There was some planning ahead of this as well, so actual time varies. Heroku was heavily limiting platform (for example, they didn't and still don't…

What are you using for compute EKS and Fargate? We just helped someone switch from Heroku to AWS and they dropped their cloud costs by 67%. This is using ECS + EC2. Fargate is typically 2x more expensive.

Is that taking spot/reserved instances into account (for both). Afaik Fargate supports both of those

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Post by uuyi »

We moved a load of stuff from an acquisition from Azure to AWS only because it's under one cost centre then so we don't have to pay or justify as many invoices.

After futzing with this stuff for years though I really would only use the IaaS options in clouds if you want to consider portability. Network, storage, compute and nothing else. The neutral abstraction is Linux for me these days, not a specific vendor!

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Post by lolinder »

eric4smith wrote: post #27

Moved from Google Cloud -> Digital Ocean -> OVH. Running our own stuff on high powered servers is very easy and less trouble than you think. Sorted out the deploy with a "git push" and build container(s) meant we could just "Set it and forget it". We have a bit under a terabyte of Postgresql data. Any cloud is prohibitively expensive. I think some people think that the cloud is as good a sliced bread. It does not rea…

> Really, I can't see a compelling reason to be in the cloud for the majority of mid-level workloads like ours.

I work on a very small team. We have a few developers who double as ops. None of us are or want to be sysadmins.

For our case, Amazon's ECS is a massive time and money saver. I spent a week or two a few years ago getting all of our services containerized. Since then we have not had a single full production outage (they were distressingly common before), and our sysadmin work has consisted exclusively of changing versions in Dockerfiles from time to time.

Yes, most of the problems we had before could have been solved my a competent sysadmin, but that's precisely the point—hiring a good sysadmin is way more expensive for us than paying a bit extra to Amazon and just telling them "please run these containers with this config."

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Post by safeerm »

nijave wrote: post #64
safeerm wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you using for compute EKS and Fargate? We just helped someone switch from Heroku to AWS and they dropped their cloud costs by 67%. This is using ECS + EC2. Fargate is typically 2x more expensive.

Is that taking spot/reserved instances into account (for both). Afaik Fargate supports both of those

Without Spot/Reserved incentives. Could get even more if that’s done.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Post by amir734jj »

jpgvm wrote: post #63

Yes. Huge AWS -> GCP migration. Why? Incoming CTO signed a massive GCP deal probably because it was marginally cheaper than AWS (while probably ignoring the migration costs).

Same thing happened to my old company (large insurance company). Moved from Azure to AWS + Terraform/Kubernetes because of cost and "cloud independent" nature of Terraform. The whole IT department spent 2+ years moving hundreds of (relatively modern + legacy) services and applications. Some services couldn't move because they were managed by third-party. I am pretty sure they didn't factor in the cost of migration.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Post by wazzaps »

DigitalOcean -> Hetzner Cloud. Simply realized it's much cheaper for my use case (single instance running everything), even doubled my ram from 2GB to 4GB and it was still cheaper. It's also a European company which helps (more trustworthy IMO). Also took the time to simplify my deployment, which was nice.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Post by hpeinar »

safeerm wrote: post #56
hpeinar wrote: post #26

Moved a project with around 600k monthly users from Heroku / Google (split setup) to full AWS setup. Whole process took around 3 months, that was from start of creating AWS account to finish when all production environments were running on AWS and Heroku was "shut down". There was some planning ahead of this as well, so actual time varies. Heroku was heavily limiting platform (for example, they didn't and still don't…

What are you using for compute EKS and Fargate? We just helped someone switch from Heroku to AWS and they dropped their cloud costs by 67%. This is using ECS + EC2. Fargate is typically 2x more expensive.

Spot/Reserved instances are used.

I probably should have clarified that the extra cost was expected as we did a lot more in AWS than we could in Heroku, we used the switch to start using bunch of stuff AWS offers like Lambda functions, CloudFront, RDS etc. Stuff that we just didn't (and couldn't) use on Heroku, thus didn't pay for it.

As the purpose of the switch was to get more control, features and out of the Herokus "black box", higher costs were expected and perfectly normal.

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