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A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

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Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

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I remember reading an account by a German soldier in WWI who had just taken an American trench and in it he found a fresh Apple Pie from Boston, and he immediately knew the war was hopeless.

Wouldnt food rations have come via boat during WW1? I'm not sure how fresh a pie would be that was in transit for a week or more.

Yeah unless it was shipped on a refrigerated ship. Impressive logistics for the time if true.

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

#72
post #21

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If German troops are malnourished within their own borders and Americans are eating freaking Apple Pie from thousands of miles away, it's hard not to draw conclusions.

If the Germans are struggling to supply beans and bullets, and Americans are so flush they can "waste" a tremendous amount of logistical overhead on transporting pie just to make the soldiers feel better, then it says a lot about how things are going.

Maybe did the US only supply a few (hundreds...) pies, for some brass to drop it down before abandoning a location, for the Germans to find it and become discouraged.

It seems that in ancient times some town besieged for quite a long time was starving but did throw away munificent food, simulating neglect, in order for it to fall on the attackers, who (not eager to maintain camp for long) promptly packed up and leaved.

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

#73
post #49

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Per capita meat consumption is at more than 150% of the levels back then. By your own argument, we should cut back on meat, particularly chicken and beef. https://www.agweb.com/opinion/drivers-us-capita-meat-consump...

Their argument is that height has increased as a result of the meaty and fatty diet. It's definitely a factor. If you look at height differences between South Koreans and North Koreans, for example, you will see the effect that nutrition can have on height. South Korea's meat consumption per capita has also increased consistently since the Korean War. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-relationship-between...

The counter argument is that it's simply better nutrition increasing height and you can have better nutrition even without a lot of animal product (especially in 2022). It's not intrinsic to meat and animal fat.

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

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> We’re sure bananas would be fine served as a vegetable, or with bacon, but this is certainly not the role we would assign to them today. At least in Melbourne, Australia and Wellington, New Zealand it's not unusual at all to find pancakes or waffles with banana + maple syrup and bacon together. https://lastappetite.com/pancakes-at-fandango/amp/

Same URL, de-amped - https://lastappetite.com/pancakes-at-fandango/

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

#75
post #46

I can't stand "normal" milk from the US... the stuff you buy in the plastic cartons. It taste horrid. Milk from Germany? I love it. Milk from Darigold in the paper cartons? I love it. Milk from Darigold in the plastic? Tastes like garbage. Organic milk in a paper carton? Some is good, some taste like garbage. I didn't realize how different milk tastes until I spent some time in Germany. Prior to that I just thought I…

My family has been getting milk from a brand called Straus family creamery which is available in glass bottles in northern California. Best tasting I've found around here.

$7, but yeah it’s good.

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

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I didn't word this well -- I do cook most of my meals from scratch (and have my entire life; I can count on one hand the number of times I've eaten McDonald's or most other chains). What I meant was most prepared foods, even ones that are ingredients themselves: our entire food supply chain is built around uniformity, shelf stability, etc. constraints in ways that have fundamentally changed how things combine into fi…

It’s fascinating how much this can change if you find a good source for local stuff. Tomatoes go from uniformly-sized red food pellets to a huge variety of sizes and colors with a lot more flavor to them. I miss having a farmer’s market two blocks from my place with a heirloom tomato specialist showing up regularly.

As a European, food at the farmer’s market is usually cheaper in Europe because we cut the middleman and go straight to the producer. Somehow in the US, it’s more expensive instead because “artisanal”, “organic” and so on.

As such, in the US, farmer markets always feel like a scam to me.

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

#77

> We’re sure bananas would be fine served as a vegetable, or with bacon, but this is certainly not the role we would assign to them today. At least in Melbourne, Australia and Wellington, New Zealand it's not unusual at all to find pancakes or waffles with banana + maple syrup and bacon together. https://lastappetite.com/pancakes-at-fandango/amp/

Not to mention bananas on pizza.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sweden-banana-pizza/

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

#78
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My grandmother made something like this without salt: cooked meat (usually duck or pork) and lots of fat, poured hot in jars. It kept for a year at least. The meat was edible straight from the jar, the fat was used for cooking or as spread (but tasted quite disgusting to me heh). I reckon salted it would last even longer.

Sounds like confit. The meat is often salted a little before cooking. Stored in cellar/refrigerator, it keeps a long time. You can also buy canned confit duck. Can be eaten straight from the jar, buy delicious and crispy when (re)cooked.

Oh yeah, so it is! Finally learned the word for that mystery food :D

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

#79
post #64

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Just a note: the taste difference you're picking up on is not due to the simple presence or absence of plastic. Paper cartons are lined with LDPE film and milk jugs are usually composed of HDPE. Both options are, in effect, polyethylene plastic containers.

Yeah, I was going to comment the same thing. There should be little difference between the taste from LDPE lining in paper cartons vs. HDPE plastic containers.

Plastic jugs let in lots of light, while paper cartons are opaque, which could have an effect.

FWIW, I do have a preference, I think milk is best drunk straight from a paper carton (in single servings, milk from the plastic "milk chugs" has always tasted worse to me).

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

#80
post #61

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Some pthalates seem to be detectable to some subset of the population. Same chemicals that are estrogen-alike.

Why would milk containers have phthalates in them? All ours here in Australia are made with HDPE which doesn't need plasticisers. Although I have read that apparently a fair proportion of milk in the US is made with equipment that uses PVC piping that leeches phthalates before it's even packaged...

It's similar in the US. I'd note that even the crystal clear (highly recyclable) plastic you see does not contain the phthalates you're looking for. There was a fad in the early 00s for using polycarbonate water bottles that probably contained BPA, but those were then (rightfully) banned. You can't even use BPA or ortho-phthalates in children's toys since they very likely put them in their tiny mouths.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1367856/

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