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Programming language is not just a technology. It's a way of communicating my thoughts. I don't want to think and write (and read!) in just an _efficient_ language.
Think of it this way: what is GWT? GWT os compiling Java, a statically typed language, into Javascript. If you've used GWT you'll know that particularly early on there was a lot of friction. What's simple in Javascript with anonymous objects and duck typing doesn't quite gel with Java so you've had to do things like use JSNI for edge cases.
Google has some incredibly large and ocmplex JS apps (eg GMail). While GMail isn't written in GWT, GWT is aimed at that kind of application with deferred binding and the benefits of static type analysis.
What if you took that expertise (of GWT and static type analysis in producing Javascript) to produce a language that could run on the server, run in the browser (for browsers that support that) and compile to Javascript (for browsers that don't)?
The last point is particular is key to driving adoption as no one is going to develop only for Chrome.
I see it as no surprise the syntax is Java-like. I fully expect sometime soon to see a JVM implementation that will then leverage all the existing Java libraries.
In that context (IMHO) it makes a lot more sense. It might not be solving the problems you're interested in but it is definitely solving a particular set of problems.
Dear Google: seriously? :(
Mozilla's Brendan Eich, inventor of JavaScript, on the Dart memo leaked a few weeks ago: A Dart to JS compiler will never be "decent" compared to having the Dart VM in the browser. Yet I guarantee you that Apple and Microsoft (and Opera and Mozilla, but the first two are enough) will never embed the Dart VM. So "Works best in Chrome" and even "Works only in Chrome" are new norms promulgated intentionally by Google. W…
The "hello world" example is incredibly uninformative. What does that have to do with "structured web programming"? Where is this printed out on a web page? Does the console output there correspond to the html output? Or some other console?
Hmm. print('${(1 print('${(1 print('${(1 print('${(1 (I've used x instead of star here as the latter does not display on HN.) This is completely nonsensical.
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I disagree with his premise. The Dart to JS compiler doesn't have to be "decent" compared to having the Dart VM in the browser to be useful in a world where other browsers don't use the Dart VM, it merely has to be "decent" compared to handcrafted JavaScript performing the same task in another browser. If direct Dart code runs faster than JavaScript on Chrome, that's a nice bonus, but if it runs as well as similar co…
I think you have missed the context of his remarks; perhaps I should have pasted more from the original post. You seem to be talking about "what is necessary for Dart to be a viable Web content language", while (I believe) Brendan is talking about "what are the consequences if Dart becomes a viable Web content language". If the Dart → JS compiler produces "good enough" results, and web authors wind up adopting it en…
Finally, you seem to have missed the fact that Mozilla is already working on an experimentatl implementation of SPDY in Firefox: http://bitsup.blogspot.com/2011/09/spdy-what-i-like-about-yo...
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Ruby tip: Instead of .sort you can use .sort_by. grains.select{|g| g.is_a?(Salt) && g.value.nil? }.sort_by(&:irrelevance).first Edit: Changed from blank? to nil? since that is probably closer to nothing in C#.
thanks. I've been writing Ruby for a few years now and I never knew about sort_by. Looks like is works in 1.8 too, but without the &: syntax sort_by{|g|g.irrelevance} source: http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-1.9.2/Enumerable.html#method-i-...
$ ruby -e 'puts VERSION; p ["10", "2", "3"].sort_by(&:to_i)'
1.8.7
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A good development environment is something where you could really differentiate yourselves, and I guess you could very easily integrate introspection and analysis features into chrome to help with it. I've been thinking for years that if I ever were to develop a new language, I would start from developer usability first - I think there is much more to innovate there than in the core language features, nowadays. Deve…
Certainly feasible: Smalltalk debuggers do this. And Smalltalkers (allegedly) use a workflow just like you describe.