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Ask HN: I'm interested in so many disciplines, but what can I do with that?

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Re: Ask HN: I'm interested in so many disciplines, but what can I do with that?

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I've felt similar recently, though more in the arts direction.

In the past few years I've discovered a love for playing music, singing, drawing, and painting. All things I never got into as a child/teenager for various reasons (parental discouragement, lack of opportunites, then lack of time etc.).

All things I could spend a lifetime exploring with passion. But as for what to do with those skills? I honestly can't think of an end goal other than enjoying them for myself (though pursuing them with dedication and focus is still a goal).

I feel too old to go about trying to join a band for the first time, and lack the many years of experience I expect it takes. Similarly on the drawing/painting side, it feels the internet/world is full of struggling professional artists, I can't imagine what I'd contribute even if I wanted to.

So happy to carry on for personal enjoyment, and accept that there's no obligation to do anything with any skills/interests I acquire.

Re: Ask HN: I'm interested in so many disciplines, but what can I do with that?

#232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the US, the thought is that if you're doing a PhD, say, it's a full-time professionalized pursuit under the assumption you will be a professor; in the rest of the world, a PhD is essentially an apprenticeship in writing under a mentor for however long it takes you, often with no aim (i.e. career) other than that writing itself. Couldn't disagree more with all of these statements.

Very insightful comment. Would you mind to explain why you disagree?

Because every single statement is wrong.

> In the US, the thought is that if you're doing a PhD, say, it's a full-time professionalized pursuit

You're still a student, still taking classes.

> under the assumption you will be a professor;

Simply not true, you could pursue all sorts of jobs.

> in the rest of the world

Do I really need to comment that? Hint: outside the US border, there is more than one country. Germany alone has 16 different educational systems.

> a PhD is essentially an apprenticeship in writing

No, it's about research.

> under a mentor for however long it takes you,

Limited to 3 years e.g. in France or Italy.

> often with no aim (i.e. career) other than that writing itself.

Man, that's just bullshit, I don't even know where to start.

Re: Ask HN: I'm interested in so many disciplines, but what can I do with that?

#233
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Read a couple of books by Barbara sher: Refuse to choose [0] She calls people like us "Scanners" and claims that our diversity of interests is not a weakness, but a strength. Then goes on techniques to make this skill work for us. [0] https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594863032/

It's only a strength if you have a strong base and a way to tie things together. Being interested in a bunch of disparate fields is not in itself useful. In fact for most people it's probably completely useless, because you're going to suck at everything. Ex: OP wants to read "textbooks to learn basic concepts" and "swim in their ideas". That doesn't equal competence. However, if you have strong expertise in a partic…

Sometimes it is hard to see how all different things you are doing now connects until at the end. I think it was Steve Jobs who said everything he did made sense only when looked in reverse order.

Re: Ask HN: I'm interested in so many disciplines, but what can I do with that?

#234

> swim in their ideas Speaking as an accomplished dilettante, I can tell you that the ability to have interesting conversations with anybody about anything is in fact a fairly OP soft skill. If you're an extrovert, I would encourage you to move into a role where you get plenty of exposure to different people - you'll find that you have a natural edge. The other major benefit of your approach is that you will build di…

Those interesting conversations are so awesome.

Re: Ask HN: I'm interested in so many disciplines, but what can I do with that?

#235

Have you thought about being a (local) politician? From a voter‘s perspective, this sounds like someone I would like to be my town’s mayor. You can grasp a large variety of things, you can meaningfully talk to experts in many fields and then bring their different ideas together in your policy. Of course politics is a field with its own very special rules that may not have much to do with actual understanding of the s…

This comment is wonderful. As somebody who works with local politicians and community leaders professionally I really appreciate this good advice. I would add - local government, either through election, government office work, or consulting often offers (and demands) a very large breadth of topic knowledge and work.

Have you thought about strategic consulting (government or otherwise)?

I'll provide a real life example - my background education is in law, but I work professionally consulting on Emergency Management. For the entirety of COVID I have been working with my local government to stabilize our food bank network as they navigate food system supply chain issues that have caused serious suffering in our food insecure population. Prior to this I have consulted on land mobile radio systems, website design, fire fighter line of death inquires, mass vaccination, and many other areas.

Consulting offers this amazing opportunity to soft "quit" a job when a project ends, but offers continuous employment through your consulting firm. Over a career, you get to see the inside of dozens of different operations, and you always bring an outside perspective. You are hired, in part, to solve unique problems and work on hard tasks where your breadth of knowledge will be appreciated and work as an advantage for you. And, if you have a client you hate working with or for, you are always just a few months from moving on to the next one. :-)

Re: Ask HN: I'm interested in so many disciplines, but what can I do with that?

#236
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Read a couple of books by Barbara sher: Refuse to choose [0] She calls people like us "Scanners" and claims that our diversity of interests is not a weakness, but a strength. Then goes on techniques to make this skill work for us. [0] https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594863032/

It is a great book. It gave me permission to pursue different fields & hobbies without feeling guilt about abandoning them later. It suggested also various ways to pursue your interests. Some people are serial scanners, they get into one thing at a time. Ben franklin was like that.

Then there are some who are able to manage their schedules and pursue multiple interests at the same time.

There might be more types of scanners that I cannot recall but another type was scanners with one core interest and then various interests around it. This is what works for me, programming is my core interest and luckily pays well to let me pursue my other hobbies. Over years, I have had various hobbies and learned so many things. I feel I can find a common hobby/interest with almost anyone now.

Re: Ask HN: I'm interested in so many disciplines, but what can I do with that?

#237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's very easy to get a visa if you're involved in the tech industry I'm interested in more info on THAT!

https://technation.io/visa/

It's a scam.

Re: Ask HN: I'm interested in so many disciplines, but what can I do with that?

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Investing might be an area where you can profit from being the way you are. I am very similar, having read way over 1k books in the last ten years or so, on a perversely wide array of subjects. I’ve also done everything from tinkering with Arduinos all the way to marriage counseling. But I quickly get bored and move on to the next field. An early disciple of CG Jung, Marie Louise von Franz, wrote that the life of our…

Vow!!! those last lines. Been going through rough patch (mentally), and these lines influenced a bit of my thought process. Can you provide some source or book to read on this deeply? Lines I'm referring = "Just always keep in mind your three biggest enemies: The mimetic reflex of wanting to follow the herd and get approval from others. The seductive illusion of superiority or infallibility. And the general tendency…

Thanks. Well, different sources. As I said, I'm the intuitive type. But I can try to expand on those three.

On mimetic desire:

1. Peter Thiel's book, Zero to One. He has an example of a company that buys billboards. Not actually to advertise to customers. But to advertise to their competitors.

2. Girard, who inspired Thiel. For instance, in "The One by Whom Scandal Comes", he writes: "In observing people around us we quickly perceive that mimetic desire, or desirous imitation, dominates not only the smallest details of our everyday behavior, but also the most important choices of our lives, the choice of a spouse, of a career, even the meaning that we give to our existence".

3. Warren Buffett once said, "It's not greed that rules the world. It's envy."

4. Watch children playing. Very often, they start fighting over some toy, even though there are many other toys lying around that nobody wants. That's a great metaphor for business, I find (think of all the buzzwords of areas people want to be in - A.I., crypto, etc.). And it's a great metaphor for investing as well.

On superiority:

C.G. Jung has this thing about the superiority complex. And I think he especially singled out the personality type that we today would classify as INTJ in the Myers-Briggs typology. INTJs have intuition as their strength. That is to say the thing Nietzsche talked about when he wrote, "It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!". The idea is that an INTJ has access to a way of "knowing" things without being conscious of reasons or sources. And the frightening thing is that his intuition is often right!

When you look at websites that classify the Myers-Briggs types, they'll often say that the slogan of the INTJ is, "Why is everybody else so wrong?". Once you have discovered that your "weird", often "unexplainable" hunches often do prevail, if you just listen to them, it is easy to believe that you have some "special power". It is easy then to believe that you no longer need to even just attempt to "justify" yourself, or to try to communicate with other people.

It's easy for anyone to fall into this trap, of course. The person who once got lucky when buying stocks could easily believe themselves to be infallible. Many a fortune that has been made has been lost again by this exact mechanism.

I also find it interesting to hear that, in indigenous cultures, there often are checks and balances enforcing humility. I remember an example from the book "Humankind": A successful hunter comes back into the village. But instead of boasting about his success, he is expected to sit down quietly. And when somebody asks if he caught anything, he is expected to say, "I'm really not much of a hunter. Maybe I got lucky and did catch a little thing." The idea apparently is that if someone becomes too sure of themselves, they eventually will become dangerous to the tribe.

There's also the story of Jesus who chooses the lowest chair to sit on. And Tolstoi, in one of his books ("What I Believe"?) speculates that these teachings do not exist so much for the good of society as for the good of the individual. As far as I understand, he says that boastfulness is a happiness trap. Presumably because 1) it makes you feel separate from the people around you and will antagonize them from you and 2) it will eventually cause you to do something stupid, with painful consequences for yourself or for others.

On fooling yourself:

I was thinking primarily of Feynman's quote: "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool."

We humans have the consciousness of the hunter, and we can only focus on one thing at a time (I heard that first in this podcast [1]). Our brains are constantly looking for shortcuts, in order to save energy (hence cognitive biases [2], and often also: failed marriages [3]).

We laugh today about people in ancient Mesopotamia who sacrificed lambs to the Gods in order to save a sick child's life. We laugh about how they drew a causal connection where, in reality, none ever was, nor could have been. But then look at B.F. Skinner's "superstition in the pigeon" [4].

The desire to be "in control", and to "have the answer" easily overpowers our feeble minds. Very often, it is more important to us to believe that we know than to really know. What we often seek is not so much the real answer, but escape from the question. Being "unsure", and "not knowing the answer" is not a pleasant state to be in. And, like small children, we often try to escape from this state as quickly as possible.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3VBCWIDEzk [2] https://busterbenson.com/piles/cognitive-biases/ [3] https://stantatkinblog.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/our-automati... [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AzjDs8aF7g

Re: Ask HN: I'm interested in so many disciplines, but what can I do with that?

#239
First, slow down - choose 1 or 2 topics at a time

Second, work towards the goal of "be an and" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30855775)

Don't limit yourself to just one thing, but do limit yourself to learning only 1 or 2 things at a time - and learn them as deeply (or shallowly) as you like (since no one is forcing you to do this (ie it's all voluntary on your part)). For a suggestion on how you might approach this, see https://antipaucity.com/2012/12/10/finding-your-niche/#.Yk2s...

It's as important to find out what you don't like as what you do like

Re: Ask HN: I'm interested in so many disciplines, but what can I do with that?

#240

Blog. Yes it’s cliche but it’s step 1 of many different paths. You can decide where to go after a year or two of consistent writing. You could - write a book or ten - become a speaker (TED talks, conferences, universities, etc) - become hands on in one or more of those fields (not sure what that looks like but it came to mind) - get a PhD and become a professor, after your children are older etc - create a new field…

I think blogging is great way to connect various hobbies and start turning them into possible careers. Even if no one reads your blog, you will something to look back at.

One thing I suggest is to never start over your blog. I did many times and wish I hadn't. Not because of SEO penalties but because those deleted posts were snapshots of my mind at those stages in my life. They could be great for you or your kids to read in the future.

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