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Re: The next Google

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Post by hans1729 »

richardsocher wrote: post #313
hans1729 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it only gets away with it because it owns the web browser through Chrome, Android and its Apple deal for Safari. From someone who tried the switch to duckduckgo and uses ddg as the default engine: I can't remember the last query I typed without adding "!g". Google doesn't get my queries because the service is shoved down my throat, it gets them because the alternatives I tried are worse wrt the total scope of my que…

Would love your feedback on https://you.com - actually has most capabilities that G has and also has the same bangs as DDG.

I looked for "Rewe" to see wether I get informations about local supermarkets, got a panel-view that is expensive to parse (eyes have to move in multiple directions, content is not clearly focussed), and was rewarded by getting no information about the local markets. Panel view only, forever, seriously, ONLY makes sense if you already know all the elements that will be displayed. Two giant rows of icons are terrible UX. Please make your default view easily-digestible. I enter a query, get a set of results. That set needs to be represented in a way that the brain actually wants to operate on. Nobody wants to operate on a set by digesting a table of unknown contents. The correct UX is a list.

I didn't bother checking customization-options, the ux was hostile and the results did not give me what I want. Pass, sorry.

Re: The next Google

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Post by sAbakumoff »

Barrin92 wrote: post #45

I think 'more customization' which is a theme with a lot of these alternatives is a fundamental dead end. I don't know where this persistent myth comes from that people love choice and tinkering, because they clearly don't. There's a huge cost associated with having to make choices, and one feature of successful modern apps is that they're frictionless. That's why TikTok is so successful. There's no login, no user ch…

Right. Their premise is “There’s no average human”. IMHO, it is ridiculous. The majority of people are just average every day normal ones, and they don't give a flying fuck about customizations.

Re: The next Google

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Post by Kiro »

I feel like I'm the only one who is pretty happy with Google. Can someone tell me what they're searching for where Google is not satisfactory?

Re: The next Google

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Post by scim-knox-twox »

Nextgrid wrote: post #139
boomer918 wrote: post #12

These solutions don't answer any of the fundamental problems with Google: - who pays for the service (ads? users pay? Average user will never use a paid service if a free one is available) - how to resist attacks against the algorithm (Google has been fighting spam for decades) - how to personalize without invading privacy, e.g. Google had an option to search through your email in Google search...it's gone now, I won…

Average users may not pay, but specialized users may pay and pay more than enough to subsidize some sort of free tier. Not to mention, if free search engines keep devolving into an endless sea of spam, people may have no choice but to start paying. There's plenty of things out there people pay for not necessarily by choice but because there's nothing else out there that would accomplish the task at hand.

> Average users may not pay, but specialized users may pay and pay more than enough to subsidize some sort of free tier.

If I can, I'm happy to pay, so others doesn't need to. I don't understand why I'm in minority and most of the people thinking only about themselves.

I'm happy to pay because for many years I also had to use free services, paid by others (or ads, but ads I'm blocking however I can).

Re: The next Google

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Post by enoch2090 »

I’ve tried with Neeva, and to be honest, even put aside the potential privacy problems, it just doesn’t work. The quality of search results is notably poorer than Google. I used it for a dozen of PyTorch & Numpy related queries, and a dozen more on convex optimization maths. I often find that it can’t find the right answer for me. It’s really a pity because I quite like it’s feature to search information from connected accounts, in my case I gave it permission to my Notion page used as archive storage. That went pretty well tho.

Re: The next Google

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Post by Liquid_Fire »

sydthrowaway wrote: post #141
legohead wrote: post #98

I just went on a mini vacation to Vegas, and was thinking how nice it would be to just call up someone and ask for some simple advice. I did a bunch of online research before I booked things, but man was it painful. There are so many copy-cat blogs who just throw together a bunch of basic information with no real research done in order to get those clicks/adwords. For example: best hotel pool in vegas. Seems simple e…

"best x in vegas" + reddit Duh.

This maybe works for Vegas, but what about places without a large demographic on reddit, or where the locals wouldn't be writing about these things in a language you speak?

Re: The next Google

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Post by amelius »

amrocha wrote: post #465
amelius wrote: post #308

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The future is trust networks. Where you trust a number of friends, who trust other people, etc. and you can use a matrix of trust to retrieve review scores, etc. Imagine trusting HN, visiting Amazon and getting all the reviews from other HN users ...

"Trust networks" are literally the past, that's literally how humanity has worked ever since its inception

Except for some difference, like how you don't have to tell someone that you need their opinion.

Re: The next Google

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Post by scim-knox-twox »

mech422 wrote: post #453
ezekg wrote: post #16

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Exactly. Give me relevant links to my term, with no SEO spam. Don't correct my term, especially when I'm searching verbatim (which I almost always want). It'd also be nice to be able to downvote certain results.

>It'd also be nice to be able to downvote certain results. When I'm researching stuff, I go thru a whole page of google result, and 'open in new tab'...90% of the time it's crap, and I really wish I could signal google 'this was useless'.

Interestingly, there used to be an option to block domains: https://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2011/02/block-domains-from...

I currently recommend Kagi.com, it can block but also pin selected domains at the top of the results list.

Re: The next Google

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Post by scim-knox-twox »

superasn wrote: post #89

Google can be the next Google if they just stopped being evil for a second: 1. Let me ban domains like pinterest, quora, stackoverflow clones, stock image sites, etc without requiring a chrome extension. 2. Do what I ask it to do. Don't be too smart. Bring back the plus sign, minus sign, double quotes, tilde which have been deprecated over these years and stop polluting the results with what it thinks I want. 3. A ne…

Interestingly, there used to be an option to block domains: https://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2011/02/block-domains-from...

I currently recommend Kagi.com, it can block but also pin selected domains at the top of the results list.

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