Do these custom OSes preserve the native capabilities of the multiple cameras on the device? Can someone chime in with their experience?
CalyxOS releases test builds for Fairphone 4, OnePlus 8T, and OnePlus 9
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Re: CalyxOS releases test builds for Fairphone 4, OnePlus 8T, and OnePlus 9
#12There's some sort of battle happening between the devs of Graphene and Calyx as we speak: https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1511593168667611139?s=...
This has been going on for atleast a year.
There's a long video from Techlore which presents the CalyxOS side of the picture and places the blame with GrapheneOS leadership: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7CZ-2Bajg .
Re: CalyxOS releases test builds for Fairphone 4, OnePlus 8T, and OnePlus 9
#13Does anyone prefer CalyxOS over GrapheneOS or LineageOS?
I'd pick Graphene over Calyx on privacy and security grounds, and Lineage over Calyx on device support or tweakability grounds. Graphene is honestly ahead on the security and privacy front. MicroG requires very strong privileges and weakens the comprehensive privsep you'd otherwise have; GrapheneOS offers sandboxed play services with the standard SELinux policies for unprivileged Android software. GrapheneOS also has…
>Don't expect security updates, though.
For the binary blobs, but for the opensource components all supported builds are current on monthly android security patches. (well, in review for probably a few days on April: https://review.lineageos.org/q/topic:R_asb_2022-04 )
LineageOS maintainers also pull android servicing branch back to cm14.1 tree too if you wanted to try your hand at building on a previously supported device.
Re: CalyxOS releases test builds for Fairphone 4, OnePlus 8T, and OnePlus 9
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd pick Graphene over Calyx on privacy and security grounds, and Lineage over Calyx on device support or tweakability grounds. Graphene is honestly ahead on the security and privacy front. MicroG requires very strong privileges and weakens the comprehensive privsep you'd otherwise have; GrapheneOS offers sandboxed play services with the standard SELinux policies for unprivileged Android software. GrapheneOS also has…
> I'd pick Graphene over Calyx on privacy and security grounds, and Lineage over Calyx on device support or tweakability grounds. I'd pick Calyx over privacy grounds not Graphene. (I totally agree that Graphene beats anyone on security grounds by miles, and depending on your threat model, security could be related to your privacy) > MicroG requires very strong privileges and weakens the comprehensive privsep you'd ot…
How is Calyx more privacy respecting than GrapheneOS by default? Not sure about the defaults on Calyx, but AFAIK GrapheneOS has zero connections to Google. You choose to install sandboxed Play services only if you want to.
Re: CalyxOS releases test builds for Fairphone 4, OnePlus 8T, and OnePlus 9
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'd pick Graphene over Calyx on privacy and security grounds, and Lineage over Calyx on device support or tweakability grounds. I'd pick Calyx over privacy grounds not Graphene. (I totally agree that Graphene beats anyone on security grounds by miles, and depending on your threat model, security could be related to your privacy) > MicroG requires very strong privileges and weakens the comprehensive privsep you'd ot…
How is Calyx more privacy respecting than GrapheneOS by default? Not sure about the defaults on Calyx, but AFAIK GrapheneOS has zero connections to Google. You choose to install sandboxed Play services only if you want to.
By default, Calyx is privacy-preserving, because it doesn't connect automatically to WiFi. You choose to connect to WiFi only if you want to.
Yes, I'm very exaggerating the comparison, but still. My point is that the comment I'm answering touts the sandboxed Google Play Services. You can't tout it *and* say it's privacy preserving, it's a XOR.
Re: CalyxOS releases test builds for Fairphone 4, OnePlus 8T, and OnePlus 9
#16There's some sort of battle happening between the devs of Graphene and Calyx as we speak: https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1511593168667611139?s=...
This has been going on for atleast a year. There's a long video from Techlore which presents the CalyxOS side of the picture and places the blame with GrapheneOS leadership: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7CZ-2Bajg .
I don't like the video, it shows Daniel Micay as a toxic sociopathic man, while in reality he is nothing like that
Re: CalyxOS releases test builds for Fairphone 4, OnePlus 8T, and OnePlus 9
#17Does anyone prefer CalyxOS over GrapheneOS or LineageOS?
It's definitely better than Lineage, since Lineage is the least private and secure out of all "degoogled" ROMs. However, it isn't as good as Graphene.
Re: CalyxOS releases test builds for Fairphone 4, OnePlus 8T, and OnePlus 9
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd pick Graphene over Calyx on privacy and security grounds, and Lineage over Calyx on device support or tweakability grounds. Graphene is honestly ahead on the security and privacy front. MicroG requires very strong privileges and weakens the comprehensive privsep you'd otherwise have; GrapheneOS offers sandboxed play services with the standard SELinux policies for unprivileged Android software. GrapheneOS also has…
Isn't graphene a huge target for black hats and three letter agencies? I guess no more so than lineage.
There is no evidence to suggest this. GrapheneOS has multiple systemic privacy and security improvements over the stock OS (e.g. hardened_malloc, toggleable network permission, exec spawning), so it's a much harder target to develop a working exploit for when compared to devices running the stock OS.
Re: CalyxOS releases test builds for Fairphone 4, OnePlus 8T, and OnePlus 9
#19I have an 8T, I use Android Auto a lot when driving. Do I need to build from source or can I sideload the package with CalyxOS?
Re: CalyxOS releases test builds for Fairphone 4, OnePlus 8T, and OnePlus 9
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
This has been going on for atleast a year. There's a long video from Techlore which presents the CalyxOS side of the picture and places the blame with GrapheneOS leadership: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7CZ-2Bajg .
I don't like the video, it shows Daniel Micay as a toxic sociopathic man, while in reality he is nothing like that
Maybe many people get this impression because he (rightfully! I want to be very clear here) defended his accomplishments against the attacks from his Copperhead OS business partner. Without context it's hard to understand