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Ask HN: Beating depression with or without anti-depressants?

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Re: Ask HN: Beating depression with or without anti-depressants?

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PLEASE do not read any of these people's advice. Talk to a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL, preferably a DOCTOR. DO NOT trust your mental health to strangers on the internet, be it reddit, or hacker news, or whatever. If you are based in the US and live nearby a university they usually have good counseling services and the infrastructure to refer people even if you're not attending the school. Search "{school} counseling servic…

I DISAGREE. For this reason: I was given antipressants by my (former) doctor for a moderate anxiety "phase". It was escitalopram. And it did well for me - within a day! When it came to end the medication, I was told to just stop taking it. Which I did. But I should not have - I had anxietiy "echoes" over the following YEAR, really weird stuff. So I started to read about the medication: Studies have shown the longer y…

I just want to echo the other commenter. You had a completely incompetent prescriber.

Tapering SSRIs is the normal unless a provider has alternative indication it shouldn't be done.

Re: Ask HN: Beating depression with or without anti-depressants?

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PLEASE do not read any of these people's advice. Talk to a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL, preferably a DOCTOR. DO NOT trust your mental health to strangers on the internet, be it reddit, or hacker news, or whatever. If you are based in the US and live nearby a university they usually have good counseling services and the infrastructure to refer people even if you're not attending the school. Search "{school} counseling servic…

This is really weird advice. Yea it's mainstream and to be expected under legaleeze circumstances. But it's not the kind of advice I would give to a friend whom I'm genuinely concerned about. Have you known anyone who was depressed and managed to get better by following the advice of a generic "profressional"? I haven't. Quite the opposite. I've seen people get worse in one dimension or another by taking medication o…

> But it's not the kind of advice I would give to a friend whom I'm genuinely concerned about.

My advice to friends and family experiencing such issues is to take those issues seriously, and to see a doctor about them.

Re: Ask HN: Beating depression with or without anti-depressants?

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Depression runs in my family but daily exercise completely reverses it. I’m referring to 60m+ of cardio average per day. Anytime I go more than 2 days without exercise, I’m immediately under a dark cloud. I’ve heard plenty of people say it doesn’t work for them. I have to assume they’ve actually tried it for a length of time and it’s true. But it’s at least worth finding out of it works for you before resorting to me…

When I had two major crisis hit at the same time last year I made sure to get out of bed no matter how I felt and go run for about 45 minutes rain or shine every day. I had been through stress anxiety periods before and found it to work wonders. It kept my head above water last year and things are much better now and I am still exercising training for a half Ironman. It’s so amazing how much it helps. Also walking it sounds like bs but it really works for me.

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Re: Ask HN: Beating depression with or without anti-depressants?

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I made this comment 3 months ago that people seemed to find informative

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29776038

The thing you need to know most of all is that you may need to check yourself into a mental health unit if it gets worse, so try to get this emergency plan together with the help of others who are thinking more clearly.

I was locked up 3 times before I finally got better. There's no shame in doing what it takes to save yourself.

Re: Ask HN: Beating depression with or without anti-depressants?

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LSD / psilocybin mushrooms and meditation. Almost completely cured after a single dose. For me it was about reframing your perspective (nothing is inherently good or bad, but thinking makes it so), and meditation helps keep the frame.

(Some will say to run to doctors and therapists, and if western medicine had a better track record for curing mental anguish I’d be inclined to believe them.

https://www.thecut.com/2016/03/for-80-years-young-americans-...

This is my own experience. If you trust western psychiatric treatments for yourself then go for it.)

Re: Ask HN: Beating depression with or without anti-depressants?

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PLEASE do not read any of these people's advice. Talk to a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL, preferably a DOCTOR. DO NOT trust your mental health to strangers on the internet, be it reddit, or hacker news, or whatever. If you are based in the US and live nearby a university they usually have good counseling services and the infrastructure to refer people even if you're not attending the school. Search "{school} counseling servic…

Sorry, you are very very wrong about this. Have you ever talked to a _medical_ professional about depression or any mental health issue? They generally don't know what they're doing. Medical professionals only have one tool in their arsenal for depression: antidepressants. So a medical doctor will likely prescribe them, whether that's appropriate or not. Antidepressants are no joke. Sometimes they can help, but they…

> Have you ever talked to a _medical_ professional about depression or any mental health issue? They generally don't know what they're doing.

And you think a random stranger knows any better? I know firsthand that the medical profession has serious limitations in its understanding of and ability to treat depression, but no way in hell am I taking some rando's advice over that of any of the many doctor's I've seen.

Re: Ask HN: Beating depression with or without anti-depressants?

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Personal experience:

I've tried quite a few antidepressants over the years. Lexapro was the one that's actually worked, and kept working. You have to start at a half dose and acclimate to it, and it really doesn't kick in until you're on the full dose for a bit.

Beyond simply finding a medication that works, having a therapist to talk to was surprisingly important for me. I didn't think I needed one, but as my moods went from black and blue to optimistic (normal?) I was worried it was doing too much to me.

Being able to talk to someone without fear of being judged, or marring social or family relations, helped me realize what feeling normal was actually like.

Long story short, side effects are real. Don't panic, but don't ignore them either if they interfere with your normal routine. Expect that the first medication may not be the one; mental illnesses are poorly understood, so it will take time and be totally worth it if you put in the patience and effort

Finally, learn what triggers you. Feeling shitty temporarily is natural, but when your mind has been conditioned to spiral that into long term funk, it'll take more than medication to fix- this is where your therapist can help big time.

Re: Ask HN: Beating depression with or without anti-depressants?

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Source: Years of depression, complex trauma work and effects, and suicidality + making a turn around the bend several years in.

To speak to your drug question, SSRIs are first line treatments that have a lower success rate but are moderately successful. I recommend talking to a doctor and starting on _an_ antidepressant earlier rather than later. This way if you're antidepressant resistant you can go for a treatment modality that's exceptionally effective -- Ketamine infusions. Expensive but if you're able to extend at home supervised with troches/nasal and follow the rules you should be fine. ~70% for IV Ketamine and ~60% for esketamine nasal treatment, in terms of success rates.

There are many atypical antidepressants that are hard hitting. You can get creative with the dopamine system. Fisher Wallace and other brain stim devices are out there. Barring all that, deep brain implants and ECS (ecs is not too terrible I've heard compared to what it seems) are options. If much fails you might be able to access psychedelics through right-to-try laws or in a locally legal state.

You'll need therapy as well. It will probably take you 4-5+ therapists to find one you click with. If you plateau for a few months then move on to a new therapist, but try to find one with a goal of staying for a few years.

I say this as the person who would be near the tip of the most resistant category. We have Dissociative Identity Disorder (officially diagnosed), which is one step beyond complex PTSD, as well as both subclinical NPD and diagnosed Borderline Personality Disorder. BPD sucks like nothing else.

Obviously these make a huge impact in our day to day life but we've been able to crawl out of the hole and are well on our way to rebuilding friendships, relationships, and a relatively content life, just with a good foundation this time. I still have a few years left but am so much different. Ketamine helped me so much, as well as personal value reshaping.

If it helps -- the similarity between morbid depression and the most enlightened person on earth is the knowledge that nothing truly matters and that there is no meaning in anything. The difference is that the enlightened person has let go of putting value in finding the meaning of anything.

Integrating the above paragraph has probably done the most overall in relieving the pain and symptoms of my cluster B disorders.

If you want a good workbook I know several, Janina Fisher's "Healing the Fragmented Selves of Trauma Survivors" is generally excellent.

One hard thing is for people like you and me who have been in pain for a long time, our brain does this beautiful thing to try to reconcile it by finding meaning in pain. Unfortunately that shapes our identity and makes a fixed global attractor around pain -- i.e. we can run from it, but our identity always wins out against our actions. The endless hill always wins out against the man pushing the stone.

You can do all the work you want to heal but if you do not let go of finding meaning or value in pain, or being hurt, or whatever collection of meaning-making beliefs you have, the hill will be there and thwart your efforts.

Even positive feelings like "love" as a core value can cause pain, this is because the world contradicts and clashes with it. Dysphoria is not just for gender issues, it is for all identities. And dysphoria is stronger than pain aversion, hence why some people like you and I seem "permanently broken". But it's all an illusion.

If you've had a spiritual awakening moment at any point, "The End of Suffering" by Adyashanti is really, really good. If you haven't feel free to read but it may feel like hippie dippie nonsense.

If you're looking for something to find a compass of where you should move emotionally when you're stuck, whenever you're despairing if you commit to reminding yourself that you're no longer a person who needs meaning to live, something will move or hurt. Keep repeating that to yourself whenever you get stuck and it'll give you a good GPS direction on where to go next.

But if you're super deep in the depressive slump, just survive. Your mind is your worst enemy right now, it will lie to you and limit your options. Just keep going. Even if in the worst case the above is a bad roadmap (I certainly don't believe it is a bad roadmap), at least it's a roadmap. I'm six, almost seven, years into what feels like a near full time journey trying to survive what has felt like hell on earth, and I'm well past the worst point. The reason I'm so detailed is probably because when I was alone and crying out to God for help that I wish someone reached out to me. So I think it's to amend for my own past hurts on that front.

Much love and we're happy to answer any questions.

T,S&company.

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