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Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by mypalmike »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #392
pavlov wrote: post #145

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I've been both a shareholder (since 2013) and customer of Tesla, and probably won't buy one of their products again. I feel deceived about spending over $5k on that "full self-driving" package that three years later still does nothing of the sort. The fact that I made a little money on Elon's coattails doesn't make it OK for him to constantly lie to customers.

I bought a Tesla in 2019 and chose not to buy FSD because I knew it wasn't implemented yet and won't be for several years. If you thought you were going to get FSD any time soon, you weren't paying attention.

Maybe Musk himself wasn't paying attention?

"I would be shocked if we do not achieve full-self-driving safer than a human this year. I would be shocked." - Musk in a 2021 earnings call.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by oriki »

tedivm wrote: post #568
noetic_techy wrote: post #557

It's either this or one of its competitors rises to take them on at some point and we get a bifurcated society where specific companies cater to specific politics. That may be unavoidable anyways. I think people outside the SV bubble (I grew up there, don't live there anymore) don't realize how hated and despised their censorship policies really are. Musk has his pulse on that, so I'm happy to see him step in and sha…

Outside of the SV bubble people have actual lives that don't resolve around tech companies. Until someone shows actual evidence with real numbers behind it it's hard to take the whole "people don't realize how much people do or think X" seriously.

This, honestly. It _feels_ more like the only people that care about SV censorship policies are the people affected by them: SV types that live almost entirely on the platforms they're scared of being censored from. Well, that and people who make their entire careers pushing other peoples' boundaries and, as a result, generate a big negative following.

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Post by hedora »

cbsmith wrote: post #561
systemvoltage wrote: post #559

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> one of its competitors rises The ideological complex has not allowed anyone to rise. That's the issue. Even neutrality is considered distasteful.

Huh, wha?

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Post by adventured »

cbsmith wrote: post #561
systemvoltage wrote: post #559

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> one of its competitors rises The ideological complex has not allowed anyone to rise. That's the issue. Even neutrality is considered distasteful.

Huh, wha?

If you're wondering about the neutrality premise.

The furthest ~25% on the left and right have an increasingly extreme, partisan, borderline psychotic view of the world that you're either with us or against us. That polarization has become radically more aggressive over the past decade.

Just to use a simple example: someone might might say it's not enough to not oppose men becoming women and dominating female swimming/sports (neutrality), you must support it. Anything else and you're an "enemy" and not an "ally." The left in particular has created an increasingly large vocabulary designed to polarize and split the population and draw lines between people (either or lines).

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Post by kolanos »

AlexandrB wrote: post #479
rayiner wrote: post #420

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Everyone is political. But “woke” people are like the old Christian right. They’re willing to use their control of institutions to prosthelytize their ideology in a way that ordinary liberals or conservatives aren’t.

Conservative states are literally passing laws banning the teaching of radical ideas like "gay people exist". If that's not "prosthelytizing their ideology", I don't know what is.

> The law prohibits classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity from kindergarten to grade 3 in Florida public school districts, or instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in a manner that is not "age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students". It also allows parents and teachers to sue any school district if they believe this policy is violated. The bill additionally prevents school districts from withholding information about a child’s "mental, emotional, or physical well-being" from their parents.

> Due to the "Don't Say Gay" nickname some commentators and social media users thought the bill banned mentioning the word "gay" in school classrooms, though the bill does not actually mention the word "gay" or explicitly prohibit its use.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Florida#HB_1557...

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by and0 »

memish wrote: post #566
noetic_techy wrote: post #557

It's either this or one of its competitors rises to take them on at some point and we get a bifurcated society where specific companies cater to specific politics. That may be unavoidable anyways. I think people outside the SV bubble (I grew up there, don't live there anymore) don't realize how hated and despised their censorship policies really are. Musk has his pulse on that, so I'm happy to see him step in and sha…

Backing this up with some data, the most common reaction on twitter is: "Elon will improve Twitter by expanding freedom of speech on the platform" https://twitter.com/NarrativesProj/status/151139309757754574...

That's what makes all of this so ironic to me. Social media platforms and their users (especially Facebook) are not left-leaning. That a vast majority of Twitter users feel he will improve it means that the bias is fictional.

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Post by mdoms »

ryanSrich wrote: post #442

It would be cool to see Twitter unban the thousands of accounts I used to follow. I highly doubt Musk will have or is interested in having any real influence.

If you really followed thousands of banned accounts perhaps you need to take a close look at the company you keep. That should send alarm bells ringing regardless of your perception of Twitter's biases.

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Post by jimmyjazz14 »

TameAntelope wrote: post #154
beeboop wrote: post #148

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Ah, the evergreen prediction of Twitter’s impending demise. The best part is that one say it will be true, and all of the folks who’ve been saying this for decades will get proven right. It’s the safest prediction in the world, to say something will end.

I mean in some ways twitter did die ages ago in that its user base has stagnated over the years and its relevance has dropped outside of a certain powerful minority of users.

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Post by golergka »

paxys wrote: post #528
beeboop wrote: post #152

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How does Elon run his companies any differently than the vast majority of tech companies out there?

They have a culture of overwork and moving fast. I was looking at job postings for SpaceX & Tesla a couple years ago, and every single one of them explicitly mentioned that you will be expected to work more than standard work hours and put in time on weekends, which is very different from all the other companies that stress work life balance. I'm sure it works for a lot of people, but you should be sure of what you a…

As long as it's honestly communicated beforehand, and employees are not deceived about compensation and workload as they voluntary sign the contract, is it bad or immoral in any meaningful way?
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