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For Steve Jobs's Biological Father, the Reunion Never Came

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Re: For Steve Jobs's Biological Father, the Reunion Never Came

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Post by Game_Ender »

[deleted] wrote: post #6
Game_Ender wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their is plenty of research that shows your genes have as much, or more to do with your success later in life then your parents. This is especially true as long as your parents meet the minimum standard of raising you. Edit was the post I was replying to: "Considering he gave him up for adoption not sure why he would want to meet with him once he grew up. He is no more relevant than a stranger wanting to meet Jobs. A…

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No. I was just making the point that your biological parents are relevant to who you become.

Re: For Steve Jobs's Biological Father, the Reunion Never Came

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Post by chubot »

dhughes wrote: post #8
cleverjake wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and for what its worth, Jobs did hire a personal investigator in the 80s to find his mother. That is how him and his sister originally met, if memory serves. It is most likely a personal matter that made him not want to contact his father.

It's odd though since the article seems to read as if Steve's mother was pressured to abandon him by her father but Steve's biological father didn't have a say in it. Only later after the divorce they described Mr. Jandali as distant but that's no surprise after a divorce.

Yeah there's definitely more to the story, and many sides of it... but I guess all that is ancient history and Jobs took it to its grave. No use in them arguing about it after he's gone. Real life doesn't wrap up like in the movies :-/

Re: For Steve Jobs's Biological Father, the Reunion Never Came

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Post by Game_Ender »

felipemnoa wrote: post #7
Game_Ender wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their is plenty of research that shows your genes have as much, or more to do with your success later in life then your parents. This is especially true as long as your parents meet the minimum standard of raising you. Edit was the post I was replying to: "Considering he gave him up for adoption not sure why he would want to meet with him once he grew up. He is no more relevant than a stranger wanting to meet Jobs. A…

There is plenty of research that shows that your environment has as much, or more to do with your success than your genes. Just look at kids in bad environments. Steve's environment in this case was provided by his adoptive parents. The fact that they were willing to spend all their savings for Steve to go to a very expensive college tell us a lot about the type of environment that they wanted for their kid. We will…

> There is plenty of research that shows that your environment has as much, or more to do with your success than your genes. Just look at kids in bad environments.

That shows the effects that really poor environments have on children. I believe I have read the after a certain minimum level of care is reached the effects of childhood upbringing greatly diminish (ie. piling on those childhood activities is unlikely to result in long term gains vs. children who don't have them).

Re: For Steve Jobs's Biological Father, the Reunion Never Came

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Post by hartror »

chubot wrote: post #12
dhughes wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's odd though since the article seems to read as if Steve's mother was pressured to abandon him by her father but Steve's biological father didn't have a say in it. Only later after the divorce they described Mr. Jandali as distant but that's no surprise after a divorce.

Yeah there's definitely more to the story, and many sides of it... but I guess all that is ancient history and Jobs took it to its grave. No use in them arguing about it after he's gone. Real life doesn't wrap up like in the movies :-/

Who said something along the lines of "you never leave with an empty inbox"?

Re: For Steve Jobs's Biological Father, the Reunion Never Came

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Post by 51Cards »

I lived most of my life estranged from my father due to issues I won't get into here. When I was 32 though we finally got to know each other more as adult friends than as father/son. As much as I never saw any reason to get to know him before hand, I thoroughly enjoyed the few years we had to reconnect before he passed away 3 years back. It makes me somewhat sad that Jobs never took that opportunity. Not saying it would have turned out the same but it's disappointing it was never tried. I know I was surprised that despite the fact we were polar opposites (lumberjack, software developer) we still found a lot in common. Made me think there might be a little something to that 'nature' thing after all.

Re: For Steve Jobs's Biological Father, the Reunion Never Came

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Post by felipemnoa »

Game_Ender wrote: post #13
felipemnoa wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is plenty of research that shows that your environment has as much, or more to do with your success than your genes. Just look at kids in bad environments. Steve's environment in this case was provided by his adoptive parents. The fact that they were willing to spend all their savings for Steve to go to a very expensive college tell us a lot about the type of environment that they wanted for their kid. We will…

> There is plenty of research that shows that your environment has as much, or more to do with your success than your genes. Just look at kids in bad environments. That shows the effects that really poor environments have on children. I believe I have read the after a certain minimum level of care is reached the effects of childhood upbringing greatly diminish (ie. piling on those childhood activities is unlikely to…

I've read that the unique interactions that parents have with their kids shape them profoundly throughout life all the way to adulthood and beyond. Their parents are their first role models and a lot of what will shape them into adults is learned from them. As long as your genes do not give you any learning disabilities and beyond a minimum level of intelligence your environment is more important than your genes. For one thing, he would never have met Woz. A genius whom designed the first Apple computer.

Imagine that Steve Jobs had been put into a different family in a different State, Province, Country and that the environment was good. i.e. Loved by his parents and received a good education. Would jobs have turned out the same? Would he be the founder of a multibillion dollar company? You seem to imply that the answer is yes, I've read plenty of literature that says no since the daily interactions in your environment have a great influence into what you become.

We are the sum of our experiences.

Finally, we could test if the genetic make up of Steve Jobs would make that much of a difference. Clone 100, or better yet, 1000 steve jobs, raise them, and see what happens.

Re: For Steve Jobs's Biological Father, the Reunion Never Came

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Post by redthrowaway »

dhughes wrote: post #8
cleverjake wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and for what its worth, Jobs did hire a personal investigator in the 80s to find his mother. That is how him and his sister originally met, if memory serves. It is most likely a personal matter that made him not want to contact his father.

It's odd though since the article seems to read as if Steve's mother was pressured to abandon him by her father but Steve's biological father didn't have a say in it. Only later after the divorce they described Mr. Jandali as distant but that's no surprise after a divorce.

The article also says that his father abandoned his other children. Give Jobs' friendship with his sister and mother, I can see how that would make him not want to have a relationship.
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