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Re: The next Google

#51

These solutions don't answer any of the fundamental problems with Google: - who pays for the service (ads? users pay? Average user will never use a paid service if a free one is available) - how to resist attacks against the algorithm (Google has been fighting spam for decades) - how to personalize without invading privacy, e.g. Google had an option to search through your email in Google search...it's gone now, I won…

> - who pays for the service (ads? users pay? Average user will never use a paid service if a free one is available) - how to resist attacks against the algorithm (Google has been fighting spam for decades)

The solution for o both of these might actually be a paid service. If you have a paid service, there is a possibility of it being profitable with much fewer users. As an example, let’s say you have 1,000,000 users at $10/month, that is a $10,000,000/month which might be enough to run the service and provide a comfortable profit.

With regards to the spam issue, the fact that you have a small user base would be to your advantage. Because there are so many Google users, it is in websites’ economic interests to spend money to try to game the algorithms. With much fewer users, your paid search users may not be worth it for the sites to spend money trying to game your algorithms.

Re: The next Google

#52

> The next Google can’t just be an input box that spits out links. An input box that spits out links is _exactly_ what I want.

I would prefer it returned "knowledge" instead of links but I hear you. Still, I think the fundamental flaw of all of this including Google is everyone looks for info in documents, while what you really need is a queryable knowledge graph where documents are linked to. Google made a half assed attempt at it but never took off, I'm looking forward to what that space could look like in the future.

Re: The next Google

#53

No search engine has tried to address the issue of the user's context for the search. - does my current location matter for the search? - am I trying to spend money (shopping), or trying to get information (facts)?

These are variables taken into account by Google AFAIK.

How do I disable location based customization for Google?

Re: The next Google

#54
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> The next Google can’t just be an input box that spits out links. An input box that spits out links is _exactly_ what I want.

Exactly. Give me relevant links to my term, with no SEO spam. Don't correct my term, especially when I'm searching verbatim (which I almost always want). It'd also be nice to be able to downvote certain results.

> Give me relevant links to my term, with no SEO spam

I think achieving this would be worth billions, at least?

We really tend to underestimate the amount of spam on the internet.

Google does badly here: it overcorrects and you get only super safe results. Yandex? Unless you get lucky, lots of spam.

Re: The next Google

#55

The next Google should have less AI and be more deterministic. At least it should have a mode where it searches exactly what I specify instead of searching what it thinks I want. Also give me options to filter out certain domains. Again, let me tell the search engine what I want instead of the engine telling me what I may want. I feel a lot of modern software is becoming very authoritarian. “We know better than you w…

Google used to let you block domains a long time ago. I'm not sure why that was removed, but I have a feeling it had something to do with giving the expectation that you can block ads from a specific domain.

Re: The next Google

#56
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want the information that you'll eventually get from visiting links, not the links themselves. In fact often you don't even want the information, you just want to solve a problem. I don't know about you, but I don't like learning all about air conditioners and spending time finding the product available in my area with the highest quality/price ratio that fits into my budget. I just want the best air conditioner…

There is no way you can trust an info box to give you that information. Providing links is the only thing that scales, since you can delegate the aggregation work to specialists and you van verify the source.

Never mind the creators of those sites. Do they really want the Reader's Digest version of their pages scraped and presented to a user without getting the click?

Re: The next Google

#57

In my view Google could possibly be the next Google. They're leading in AI right now and if they can get the magic we've seen in some of their papers into products like Search or Google Assistant it would be major moment.

People aren't complaining about Google because of a lack of AI, but because of product decisions they're intentionally making, presumably that increase their profits, but many of us would be overjoyed if they simply rolled back to their 2012 algorithm.

Re: The next Google

#58

In my view Google could possibly be the next Google. They're leading in AI right now and if they can get the magic we've seen in some of their papers into products like Search or Google Assistant it would be major moment.

Minus ads.

Re: The next Google

#59

> The next Google can’t just be an input box that spits out links. An input box that spits out links is _exactly_ what I want.

Also, most of these examples in the articles are input boxes that spit out links :/
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