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Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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People hate Musk for the same reason they hated Jobs. They love living in their world but hate themselves for it. Think Different might have more than one meaning.

Many many people use and have used something related to Jobs, but how many people use Aloni's? The average person doesn't drive a lithium car!

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Or for Elon Musk, depends who you ask. HN is't a person's initials.

Puh-lease. Bias means tendency to lean a certain way, you can’t have bias in 2 opposite directions. The pro Elon crowd here is a minority. Something I’ll never understand, being that this is an entrepreneurial forum and Elon is the worlds best entrepreneur. Jealousy perhaps?

Jealousy indeed, I am a fan of Elon because I can appreciate that he is an engineer first in almost every way he communicates professionally. It is very obvious he keeps abreast to physics, engineering, and he even has core IT knowledge. I watched a 30 minute video where he spent 2 minutes explaining a trace route to a interviewer in detail and it made me like him even more.

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HN has a bias against Elon Musk. That’s pretty much what you need to know.

We have fair and objective criticism of Elon Musk. Your failures to accept or understand the criticism does not constitute "bias".

There is certainly fair criticsm but quite often people have totally aburd claims.

Like he bought twitter because of flight bot.

Or idiotic ideas about how everything he does is some 7D galaxy brain chess to achive some dubiously defined goals.

Some people really go close to conspiricy theory mode and still get upvoted.

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People hate Musk for the same reason they hated Jobs. They love living in their world but hate themselves for it. Think Different might have more than one meaning.

> They love living in their world but hate themselves for it.

I can’t help but think this is sarcasm.

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I honestly could not care less. Steve Jobs was the same. I think you are criticizing the very things that made them great.

The idea workers have to suffer under "great men" to produce things of value is provably untrue and just an excuse by those "great men" to act in unacceptable ways, while taking credit for the work done by those people. A good CEO can of course provide value, but pretending they are alone responsible for success, and abusing staff is a good way to achieve that success is just wrong. Burning out passionate people is a…

It’s kind of like how some actors really only get into “method acting” when it allows for them to behave like assholes on set. The idea that one must be a jerk to do “great things” is a self serving lie by rich and powerful people who want to excuse their misbehavior.

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> Elon Musk is kind of obnoxious. He lies (or "exaggerates"). But what Tesla has done is insane. It's happened so quickly, and that's leaving aside the rockets. The hard evidence that we can build new things, that we can progress and build a future that's better than the present is so important. If it takes a flawed man to show us that, I'll take it. Or in other words, the end justifies the means? Not all of us share…

Nowhere in my post did I make that argument. If Elon used slave labor to run his factories, I wouldn't defend it. However, "being a troll, exaggerating, and sometimes lying" are not mortal sins.

Again, not sins to you. Your values dictate that being a troll, exaggerating, and lying are okay.

To others, those things are in fact enough to say that Elon Musk is a shithead.

It's as if there are gradients of human behavior, and not everyone is always a cartoony villain or Dudley Do-right all the time.

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I have obviously missed something but what is the main objection to Musk being part of Twitter's board?

One problem is the culture he's created at his other companies. "Black Tesla employees describe a culture of racism: ‘I was at my breaking point’ " https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-03-25/black-tesl... "California sues Tesla, alleging rampant racism at factory" https://www.npr.org/2022/02/15/1080884899/california-sues-te... "Black workers accused Tesla of racism for years. Now California is stepping in" htt…

It's remarkable how all the replies to my message here completely ignore the comments in the articles made by actual Tesla employees who've been victims of racism.

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Everyone is political. But “woke” people are like the old Christian right. They’re willing to use their control of institutions to prosthelytize their ideology in a way that ordinary liberals or conservatives aren’t.

Conservative states are literally passing laws banning the teaching of radical ideas like "gay people exist". If that's not "prosthelytizing their ideology", I don't know what is.

Literally no state has passed a law teaching gay people do not exist. You should read the actual bills and take some time off Twitter while you are at it.
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