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What is this "personality profile" you're talking about, and what are these "other issues"?
Didn't mean to make you feel called out there
I dont feel called out, just trying to understand your position?
Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis
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Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis
#92Not a fan of how she's focusing her career on grievances and opening up on her grudges. Doesn't lead anywhere. She's got talent to do more interesting things than complaining about the same over and over, in a dead end road.
I think this sentiment would be good motivation for her to keep on going. For one, a lot of comedy is based on grievance and grudge and presenting them in a novel light. And she is shedding light on subjects, that could use a more honest representation in mainstream culture.
And as a dutch person, I was happy that I could finally watch a comedian with my wife, that didn't have the rapid fire of separate jokes and at some random point just... ends. Instead I could watch a show with her that had theme and an arc, and also wasn't afraid to just put the audience in uncomfortable position and leave them there for a while. It really felt like going to a dutch comedian, and I was surprised to see this have any success in the US market.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be clear, this is a book extract, not something she wrote for the guardian, but for someone who picked up her book to read. She says many of you. Why are you including yourself in the many, if you already knew what she has to say? Why are you so upset by a comedian writing about her experiences that you have to engage with it at all? I just don't see a sneer. I just took a bit and reread the while thing. What I re…
> But I don't think I'll convince you to see it my way, so I'll drop this. You managed to have your say, which was just as snide as hers, so now I'll have mine. > To be clear, this is a book extract, not something she wrote for the guardian, but for someone who picked up her book to read. If this has a relevance, I fail to see it. > She says many of you. Why are you including yourself in the many, if you already knew…
I don't think this comment section is supposed to be a competition. Neither do I think the article was a sneer towards others, but a way to ask for empathy for a certain situation. It wasn't about you, and you don't need to make it about you.
Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis
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I think autism has become the IBS of neurodiversity, and will be retired someday just as the diagnosis of “hysteria” was retired as a catch all for women’s issues a century ago.
If we get a better understanding of what autism actually is, I'd expect we'd also establish more specific and accurate terms for it. I don't see any reason why it would just go away as a concept, though. It seems like it's pretty well established at this point that there is a collection of characteristics that some people have that fit the current understanding of what is meant by "autism". I'm not an expert in the a…
> I don't see any reason why it would just go away as a concept, though. It seems like it's pretty well established at this point that there is a collection of characteristics that some people have that fit the current understanding of what is meant by "autism".
The caveat being that this category exists within the current framework. The same could be said about "female hysteria", and pretty much all psychological conditions that have been left behind as symptoms of the zeitgeist.
Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis
#95Autism has become a catch-all for "people who are weird". "Neurotypical" is the vaguely condescending opposite. Notice the sneer when she refers to "neurotypical 'experts'". The basic idea is that people who are weird are a subjugated minority, oppressed by people with boring, normal brains. I don't doubt that Hannah Gadsby is weird but I think life is hard for everyone, including normal people. I think the struggles…
I find it bizarre how uncritically the social construct of doubling the ranks of the mentally ill/disordered in the course of decades has been introduced. There is no way in the last few decades the amount of mentally disordered people has expanded so greatly, it must be the case we're simply calling more people disordered. The growth of mental disorders is starting to plateau now but things are still growing. I find…
Do you have a problem with the words "disorder" or "illness"? Because it comes across to me that it rubs you the wrong way that so many people can be considered flawed in some way. I don't think that way of looking at people is untruthful or wrong, it's just a lot more nuanced to look at it than a person being either "sane" or "insane".
I really do wonder this as you so explicitly put "mentally ill" and "disordered" as interchangeable, which they clearly are not. Pretty much everyone has some kind of disorder, which they can address. Only a few have a mental illness, which they can learn to cope with.
Your example also serves to reduce attempts at nuance even further, by trying to make mental illness only understandable through the lens of a physical one. So one has got to wonder: maybe you are lumping way too many things onto one pile?
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I found these fundamentally unwatchable, but I guess there’s an audience for it.
Nanette is more an angry speech by a clever and witty person than the "comedy special" it's made out to be.
I mean she starts out by saying she is quitting comedy.
See also https://blog.ted.com/how-hannah-gadsby-broke-comedy/
Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis
#97Not a fan of how she's focusing her career on grievances and opening up on her grudges. Doesn't lead anywhere. She's got talent to do more interesting things than complaining about the same over and over, in a dead end road.
I bet she's devastated that her struggles are insufficiently entertaining for you.
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#98I have spent majority of my adult life operating under the idea that I'm on the spectrum. I have no problem sharing that detail of my life as I sit in front of a computer for more than 8 hours most days and would identify as introverted and eccentric in my own ways. What I found interesting is that as I experimented with lowering my screen time and doing more analog activities, my symptoms that had me believing I was…
> I have spent majority of my adult life operating under the idea that I'm on the spectrum
Has this changed over time? Your opening sentence kind of suggests that it has, but you do not return to this idea. I'm curious what your current opinion is.
Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis
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I find it bizarre how uncritically the social construct of doubling the ranks of the mentally ill/disordered in the course of decades has been introduced. There is no way in the last few decades the amount of mentally disordered people has expanded so greatly, it must be the case we're simply calling more people disordered. The growth of mental disorders is starting to plateau now but things are still growing. I find…
Do you have a problem with the words "disorder" or "illness"? Because it comes across to me that it rubs you the wrong way that so many people can be considered flawed in some way. I don't think that way of looking at people is untruthful or wrong, it's just a lot more nuanced to look at it than a person being either "sane" or "insane". I really do wonder this as you so explicitly put "mentally ill" and "disordered"…
First, I’ll say the APA defines mental disorders as a subset of mental illness which contradicts your definition [1]. In my experience, people tend to define these terms incredibly inconsistently and I don’t get caught up in the semantics.
Second, I would say I have both social and scientific objections to the concept of mental disorders.
Scientifically, the definition of what is considered a disorder is INCREDIBLY subjective. The DSM-V definition includes language like “impairment in an IMPORTANT area of functioning” and “reflects a dysfunction”. Being gay and transgender are two things that were considered disorders and no longer are. Generally the reasoning as to why these are not mental disorders is that being gay/trans does not make somebody intrinsically unhealthy and some of the things we see like higher suicide rates in those groups are a result of social stigma… which are ALL things I can rather trivially claim about many cases of autism.
Socially, it’s just unnecessarily insulting to call people dis-ordered. In the context of autism, it is well known it can present as a combination of strengths and weaknesses, but the mere existence of weaknesses gets the insulting label of “disorder”. This shows a condescending sense of superiority among the doctors who coined “Autism spectrum disorder”. I don’t feel medical language like disorder or illness is very nuanced at all, I feel it’s reflective of blasé and thoughtless generalization and the language mostly serves to stigmatize which is why people got mad about it being used to describe trans people.
[1] https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/what-is-mental-...
Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I find it bizarre how uncritically the social construct of doubling the ranks of the mentally ill/disordered in the course of decades has been introduced. There is no way in the last few decades the amount of mentally disordered people has expanded so greatly, it must be the case we're simply calling more people disordered. The growth of mental disorders is starting to plateau now but things are still growing. I find…
The amount of people that allegedly have ADHD, the U.S is a big outliner when you compare it with other, similarly developed nations. I believe it will be looked back at some point like opioid crisis.
My prediction is that the whole song and dance where you need to prove you have ADHD will fade away, and people will be able to basically just be able to get ADHD drugs from a doctor on the condition you get your blood pressure checked and such.
I think if the culture can normalize coffee, it certainly can normalize amphetamines and methylphenidate. Like to me it's hilarious in a way how offices will literally provide drugs (coffee, tea) to their employees for people to self-medicate with.