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One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by artem247 »

user3939382 wrote: post #168
kcb wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your perspective is the same tired idea that the US is the only country that controls world foreign policy and everyone else just plays along. What of the Ukrainian people?

Here's the US government explicitly picking the leaders of the Ukrainian government before they were put in place https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 Not to mention that leading up to this transition of power we backed a violent coup of their democratically elected government in 2014. What of the Ukrainian people in Eastern Ukraine who have been getting bombed for 7 years in a civil war? The Ukrainian peop…

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Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by skybrian »

jl6 wrote: post #124
toxik wrote: post #24

The dream of the internet as some sort of great democratizing force is already dead and buried, but for any who still believes, this must surely be the final nail in that coffin. Controlling the narrative is only a problem for existing democracies with press freedom. All bets are off once the threat model includes control of the media. So cherish your freedom of speech, and exercise and defend it. I don’t know what t…

The issue is that despite the internet appearing to be an infinite sea of nodes that can all participate in a global village, the reality is that “the media” is the very finite set of nodes that have control of users’ attention. We’re surely all guilty of facilitating this. Forget the global village of a billion voices - the number of news sources I regularly read isn’t even dozens. Anybody can still put up a web ser…

You're just looking at the first hop and that's excessively gloomy. What about all the sites that authors you read have read?

Link sharing sites like Twitter and Hacker News have exposed me to articles from lots of less popular news sites, not to mention, all the blogs I'm subscribed to.

Also, research-heavy blog posts about COVID and the war in Ukraine have lots of outgoing links. Some sources are in languages I can't even read, but I can get a rough translation.

There are people who geolocate photos from Ukraine as a hobby, aggregators who find patterns, and people who do amateur military analysis. Sometimes they're ahead of the newspapers. (By a few hours. I assume reporters read them too.)

This results in big differences between what we can read and what would be possible in China or Russia, without a VPN anyway.

(Changing majority opinion is a whole different story though.)

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by weinzierl »

prionassembly wrote: post #113

This made me finally download TikTok and.. OW! that's REALLY NSFW! (I didn't think I'd live, as a man, to be offended by sparsely-clad voluptuous women, but there I am.)

You must be on a different TikTok than me. I'm using TikTok from Germany and I neither get NSFW content nor war stuff. It's all silly dance videos, lots of stupid pranks, wonderful musicians and a bit of English as a Second Language content for me.

Regardless how much of this is because of my location or my behaviour, it supports OPs point: TikTok can be very different for different users.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by austinl »

prionassembly wrote: post #113

This made me finally download TikTok and.. OW! that's REALLY NSFW! (I didn't think I'd live, as a man, to be offended by sparsely-clad voluptuous women, but there I am.)

This was my first experience using TikTok as well — I think those videos will always appear to new users because they get a lot of engagement. But if you swipe past them quickly, you'll likely never see them again.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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toxik wrote: post #24

The dream of the internet as some sort of great democratizing force is already dead and buried, but for any who still believes, this must surely be the final nail in that coffin. Controlling the narrative is only a problem for existing democracies with press freedom. All bets are off once the threat model includes control of the media. So cherish your freedom of speech, and exercise and defend it. I don’t know what t…

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hermannj314 wrote: post #193

Aggressor nations have the privilege of lying to themselves on the consequences and reality of their wars. The defenders do not get the privilege to ignore that. Americans barely talked about Afghanistan. For 20 years, our internet was full of funny videos, stupid songs, and memes of Osama bin Laden. Sure we bombed civilians targets and committed war crimes too, but we had very smart lawyers that taught us clever wor…

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Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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[deleted] wrote: post #205
toxik wrote: post #24

The dream of the internet as some sort of great democratizing force is already dead and buried, but for any who still believes, this must surely be the final nail in that coffin. Controlling the narrative is only a problem for existing democracies with press freedom. All bets are off once the threat model includes control of the media. So cherish your freedom of speech, and exercise and defend it. I don’t know what t…

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Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by dark-star »

It would have helped if they had made it more prominent that you're supposed to scroll down. I was watching the first video, expecting to see a second one for comparison or something. I already closed the tab again and only later saw a coworker browsing HN who clicked on the same link and saw him scroll :)

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by [deleted] »

dark-star wrote: post #208

It would have helped if they had made it more prominent that you're supposed to scroll down. I was watching the first video, expecting to see a second one for comparison or something. I already closed the tab again and only later saw a coworker browsing HN who clicked on the same link and saw him scroll :)

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Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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toxik wrote: post #24

The dream of the internet as some sort of great democratizing force is already dead and buried, but for any who still believes, this must surely be the final nail in that coffin. Controlling the narrative is only a problem for existing democracies with press freedom. All bets are off once the threat model includes control of the media. So cherish your freedom of speech, and exercise and defend it. I don’t know what t…

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