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Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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This seems like a silly post on first reading, but actually thinking about it, that would mean the first amendment actually applies to Twitter right? In which case it would actually mean government can't interfere with it? It's an interesting mind exercise. What happens with blatant spamming, or bots, is the government allowed to interfere with those? Or does the 1st amendment block that too?

Nuisance on public infrastructure - like loitering and littering, some trolling and all spam could become misdemeanors subject to enforcement. Twitter officers lol. Imagine joining the fbi and ending up manning the Twitter troll patrol.

Absurd idea, but amusing consequences if you ignore the obvious roadblocks.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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This seems like a silly post on first reading, but actually thinking about it, that would mean the first amendment actually applies to Twitter right? In which case it would actually mean government can't interfere with it? It's an interesting mind exercise. What happens with blatant spamming, or bots, is the government allowed to interfere with those? Or does the 1st amendment block that too?

>This seems like a silly post on first reading, but actually thinking about it, that would mean the first amendment actually applies to Twitter right?

Without Section 230 Twitter would be liable for every evil thing that is said on their platform.

What Section 230 does is create a category in which you are not liable for the content on the platform but they specifically setup limited rules for what can be censored. All censorship must be done in good faith. Lewd, obscene, harassment etc is censorable. But again good faith, you cant just say everything is harassment or obscene so you can censor speech.

So absolutely, twitter is legally obligated to allow free speech. The big controversy is that they are clearly in violation of this but nobody is punishing them. They just get away with it.

>It's an interesting mind exercise. What happens with blatant spamming, or bots, is the government allowed to interfere with those? Or does the 1st amendment block that too?

No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of-

(A) any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or

So twitter could ban porn under lewd category but they choose not to do. Same with gore and obscenity in general.

You dont have to censor these things, but you can if you please.

Censoring political speech under any of those categories is going to be virtually impossible to justify that they are doing this in good faith.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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He filed forms that he was going to be a passive investor, and the same day joined the board after discussion that had been in the works for weeks. This is strike two on misleading investors.

I haven't seen analysis on whether it was illegal, but I wouldn't want somebody like him on my board even if it succeeded in keeping him from buying up more stock. With him on the outside, maybe he causes more trouble than on the inside but I would be wary of the association.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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He's also agreed to never own more than 14%, so effectively agreeing only to be a voice, not a wrecking ball.

Not never but while he is a member of the board + 90 days. Though if he would get more than that not being on the board would be weird so kind of yes never getting more than that.

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This seems like a silly post on first reading, but actually thinking about it, that would mean the first amendment actually applies to Twitter right? In which case it would actually mean government can't interfere with it? It's an interesting mind exercise. What happens with blatant spamming, or bots, is the government allowed to interfere with those? Or does the 1st amendment block that too?

I think that's a solid read.

The social media platforms need some sort of speech regulation enforced on them. Imagine if AT&T cut off your phone call because you started talking about Donald Trump or Hunter Biden's laptop.

Social media companies enjoy immunity under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act[1] but then editorialize their platform to allow only conversations socially acceptable.

Enforcing free speech on the platforms, as its accepted today by the courts[2], with criminal penalties for noncompliance, is the only solution.

[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230 [2] https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-re...

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Yes, because when the American government controls Twitter, you can be certain all views will be respected and treated impartially...

Nationalizing in the traditional sense is not the solution, indeed, but rather hold the platform up to the letter of the constitution. This right now is not exactly possible given that "twitter is a private company", therefore arguably if one puts it in the hands of the government, you have the double-edged sword of potentially being abused by the government, and on the other hand the solution i forementioned on hold…

Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas suggested extending common carrier legislation to cover social media platforms. That would essentially prevent them from censoring any content legal in the US.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/techtank/2021/04/09/justice-t...

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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He filed forms that he was going to be a passive investor, and the same day joined the board after discussion that had been in the works for weeks. This is strike two on misleading investors. I haven't seen analysis on whether it was illegal, but I wouldn't want somebody like him on my board even if it succeeded in keeping him from buying up more stock. With him on the outside, maybe he causes more trouble than on th…

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