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Channel 4 privatisation to go ahead

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Re: Channel 4 privatisation to go ahead

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This is vandalism. Channel 4 uses no government money and has a remit to show programming other channels cannot. The only reason this is on the table is because they critised the current government.

> Channel 4 uses no government money So, it's already private?

No, its funded by advertising but owned by the government. That means they have more remit to do what they like (no shareholders like Murdock to appease).

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From a Hackernews point of view the most relevant part of this will be their video distribution platform 'All4' (previously '4 On Demand'). All4 is one of the buggiest platforms of all of the big channels. The others may be lacking in features but even Channel 5 has a pretty smooth user experience. All4 consistently crashes, shows ads but then no programme, doesn't show programmes in its search results, doesn't keep…

Anecdotally, the All4 app works fine on my phone and over chromecast. The biggest media app I've had issues with is the Virgin Radio app.

I guess one of the reasons behind this is the Ch4 news which I feel is excellent but is generally very critical of almost everyone.

Re: Channel 4 privatisation to go ahead

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This is vandalism. Channel 4 uses no government money and has a remit to show programming other channels cannot. The only reason this is on the table is because they critised the current government.

> Channel 4 uses no government money So, it's already private?

It is owned by the government but generates all it's own funding via advertising, selling programming slots and selling content overseas (Film4, for example).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Channel 4 uses no government money So, it's already private?

No, it's owned by the government but doesn't take any government funding.

Who owns the capital? If it's the government, then yes, it's state funded even if it doesn't require constant capital injections

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Its odd in a democracy in 2022 that a government should own a media/news organisation. If the argument that this is profitable is true, then it should be capable of carrying on its endeavours privately with no issue whatsoever.

Yay! Cos all privatised channels that show high brow or educational programming have maintained their standards of quality and don't just show endless shows about ufos and nazis

That sh!t is bizarre ... why does that happen?

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This is vandalism. Channel 4 uses no government money and has a remit to show programming other channels cannot. The only reason this is on the table is because they critised the current government.

Honestly, considering what the goverment is doing, I think there needs to be real questions asked about who are they trying to serve. It doesn't really seem like it's the British public.

That could be a decent summary of the last decade under the current government.

For those outside of the UK, it has been a disaster.

Re: Channel 4 privatisation to go ahead

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Its odd in a democracy in 2022 that a government should own a media/news organisation. If the argument that this is profitable is true, then it should be capable of carrying on its endeavours privately with no issue whatsoever.

Yay! Cos all privatised channels that show high brow or educational programming have maintained their standards of quality and don't just show endless shows about ufos and nazis

Clearly you’ve never seen some of the bizarre stuff that C4 had put out over the years then?

Perhaps the thing to take from this is that people want to watch bizarre stuff?

Re: Channel 4 privatisation to go ahead

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Its odd in a democracy in 2022 that a government should own a media/news organisation. If the argument that this is profitable is true, then it should be capable of carrying on its endeavours privately with no issue whatsoever.

It is not even remotely odd, it is a vital defence of that same democracy. Private ownership of the media is a direct path to authoritarianism (Hungary: Orban, Italy: Berlusconi).

When the government is "aligned" with the same media moguls who control the media (TV, newspapers) you have a huge problem for a democracy. Channel 4 was one of the few entities in the UK that stood out from that trend. In the current context it is madness to privatise one of the last remaining independent news sources in the UK.

Some would argue that the media landscape in the US isn't in the best shape either.

Re: Channel 4 privatisation to go ahead

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Its odd in a democracy in 2022 that a government should own a media/news organisation. If the argument that this is profitable is true, then it should be capable of carrying on its endeavours privately with no issue whatsoever.

>it should be capable of carrying on its endeavours privately with no issue whatsoever.

But that's not the way that things like this work. C4 produces some programming that no other broadcaster in the UK does. The programmes may not be "everything for everyone", but there is definitely something for everyone, and just about everything they've ever made is still available to watch.

It will not remain that way if it is privately owned. There's too much pressure to serve shareholder interests and make everything profitable. Not everything can turn a profit, and "the market" doesn't solve all issues - the arts in particular being a case in point.

Dorries has always struck me as being pretty incompetent and not someone you would label as a deep thinker. She's obsessed with the destruction of the BBC, and C4 is clearly an easier target as most people don't even know that it is currently publically owned.

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