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Exit interviews are a trap

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Re: Exit interviews are a trap

#341
> So, the best case scenario is a very unlikely chance of a positive outcome, and even if you get that positive outcome, it’s of no direct value to you.

What if you care about the people who are still at the company, and want them to have a better experience than you did? What if you even care about people you don't even know, who will work there in the future?

Re: Exit interviews are a trap

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post #146

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I feel like people like this are fair game for naming and shaming.

Disagree. You can ask in private but DOXXing somebody via HN/Reddit hivemind is a no-go without proper evidence. 1 anecdote does not suffice in this case (sorry OP, I do believe you though)

Does this amount to doxxing though? Naming someone or a company in a public forum is one thing, posting their home address and phone number is different

Re: Exit interviews are a trap

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post #309

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Nah man, exit interviews aren't to express opinions or talk shit, it's a data source for HR to identify problems emerging as patterns and improve their org/company. One guy saying "my boss sucked" isn't really feedback

So you are supposed to provide data sources about problems, but are not allowed to involve opinions in that? Can you give some examples of feedback that would fit that criteria?

You can opinions if you can express them in a more neutral and actionable way.

- My boss doesn't like me and excludes me. vs - I think my boss has a few favorites who get all the cool projects. Despite me being the best person as I had the most experience with technology X, my performance in good standing, and having showed interest in the project, I didn't get assigned to that project.

Re: Exit interviews are a trap

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post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like people like this are fair game for naming and shaming.

Disagree. You can ask in private but DOXXing somebody via HN/Reddit hivemind is a no-go without proper evidence. 1 anecdote does not suffice in this case (sorry OP, I do believe you though)

Setting aside the question of whether this is ethically good/okay, how does this count as doxxing? You're not de-identifying a pseudonymous person, or publishing private info like a home address, you're just saying something about a guy on the internet.

Re: Exit interviews are a trap

#345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah man, exit interviews aren't to express opinions or talk shit, it's a data source for HR to identify problems emerging as patterns and improve their org/company. One guy saying "my boss sucked" isn't really feedback

>exit interviews aren't to express opinions or talk shit, it's a data source for HR These are the same thing. You're trying to legitimize your opinion under the pretense of seeking raw, objective data, and characterizing OP's interview responses as something less than data, but it's not true.

Well it's shit data and is not actionable

Re: Exit interviews are a trap

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I didn't say it was useful feedback, I said they asked him his opinion and they got it. Badmouthing him around town for it is completely uncalled for.

Eh we don't really know what happened and to what extent he was badmouthed. If it's as bad as he says, then yes that was uncalled for

I don't see any reason to doubt his story, and it's pointless to anyway. It might be total fiction, but within those parameters, he was right and they were wrong. We're just expressing opinions on a forum, which is the most moot thing to do anyway.

Re: Exit interviews are a trap

#347

I told my boss at the time that the reason I was leaving was because they where forcing us back into the office to do meetings from our desk in the middle of the pandemic (which it was, 18mths ago June). I also told him that if they didn't change that policy they'd haemorrage their most senior staff. Of the 9 lead devs they had at the time (including me) they lost 7 over the next 8mths (I already knew three where lea…

> Of the 9 lead devs they had at the time (including me) they lost 7 over the next 8mths (I already knew three where leaving in the interview just hadn't announced it yet). > It took them another 8mths to decide that remote might be an option, after literal decades of experience on their systems (not me I was a relatively new hire) walked out the door. I am starting to see this happen at work. We've undergone a re-or…

> Anyway, in nearly 15 years in this industry, I think that I've maybe had 1 company I was interviewing with ask me for my references and I can't even recall if they used them.

Background checks wont even always ask your permission before verifying your employment history. They usually won't even need contact info from you.

Re: Exit interviews are a trap

#348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree. You can ask in private but DOXXing somebody via HN/Reddit hivemind is a no-go without proper evidence. 1 anecdote does not suffice in this case (sorry OP, I do believe you though)

Does this amount to doxxing though? Naming someone or a company in a public forum is one thing, posting their home address and phone number is different

what if that person has a particularly identifiable name? It wouldnt be hard to guess who it was in that case by searching for their name on LinkedIn, noting their geographic history, and guessing at which (tech or otherwise) companies the manager has worked at.

What's more, a common name might mean multiple people get harassed via that same method due to poor detective skills.

Re: Exit interviews are a trap

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post #324

For those starting out in their career in the US: They do not play fair and they will lie about you and talk behind your back. By they, I mean the people that do the hiring. When you apply at one place , they will contact buddies at your current or former place of work even without your consent and you have no chance to fight or dispute that (and it is also illegal, not that they care). It's not a level playing field…

> they will contact buddies at your current or former place of work even without your consent and you have no chance to fight or dispute that (and it is also illegal, not that they care)

is it actually illegal?

Re: Exit interviews are a trap

#350

I’ve had 2 exit interviews and both were good experiences. The first scheduled the exit interview 5 months after leaving my job. Clearly said that they wanted to make sure I was comfortable in my new job before asking for feedback. I think the gap of a few months is a good mechanism to get honest feedback if someone is willing to provide it (and is what I now do for exit interviews myself) Second time was with a mana…

There are plenty of good managers mixed with the bad. Obviously you knew your boss in this case was a good manager and trusted him with that info. Hopefully people realize when to trust the people getting the feedback and when not to. Generally when exit interview feedback starts to look the same from specific departments or managers...the upper ups and HR take notice that something is off. I've also seen feedback from exit interviews that people aren't happy about stuff that they knew was part of the job (like left before and came back and were somehow surprised the job was the same).
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