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Whatever the corporate equivalent is of a late stage authoritarian dictatorship.
The old, it’s a private company so they can set their own rules (see all the responses to Twitter censorship accusations).
For anyone who is concerned about the level of authoritarian control companies like Amazon have over employees, you might find the book Private Government worth a read: https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691176512/pr...
Why would you use a work-provided chat app to discuss things the company may not like? For example, do you not expect your employer to know if you're browsing for another job over company provided Internet on company provided laptops? If they were spying on the guest Wifi, that's another thing.
Why would you use work-provided air to transmit voice to discuss things the company may not like at the office? Don't you know they have smart microphones in the walls and use Active Noise Control to 'cancell' any words you say that they don't like?
For example, do you not expect your employer to know if you are thinking about another job while you are using their devices? They track you microscoping eye movement and body language to tell if you are dissatisfied with your job, to tell what products you might want and sell that information to marketing agencies, and they use machine learning to guess with 70% accuracy what you might be thinking about
It sounds like its an internal chat app, presumably meant for business. If people were openly talking about "slave labor" and "vaccine" on any public company slack channels, I would think they'd shut it down at most organizations. I don't think you're allowed to use company time to organize. I don't think its unreasonable to make people work when they're on the clock and remove distractions. Many are used to comforta…
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Why would you use a work-provided chat app to discuss things the company may not like? For example, do you not expect your employer to know if you're browsing for another job over company provided Internet on company provided laptops? If they were spying on the guest Wifi, that's another thing.
Maybe because union organizing is protected by law? It doesn't count as working so Amazon can get away with this as long as they prohibit all non-work conversation, but if they're specifically targeting union organizing then it looks like they're breaking the law: https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/em...
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I would bet if you did a survey and asked whether you think it's appropriate to post spicy memes and organize against your employer on the company's time and systems you'd see a clear correlation with income levels. The lower the income the more bizarre they would consider that behavior
I would guess it's the reverse, judging by /r/WorkReform. It's tens of thousands of people who categorically refuse to understand what employers hire people for, in principle. Some % of them does understand what a business is, why businesses hire people, and why and how our systems can be realistically reformed to improve conditions for all workers. But most people don't. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them see t…
You think /r/WorkReform is highly representative of an entire working class?
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Over a chat app they provide for work use, I'm not seeing the ethical issue. Pay and overwork is one thing but why can't these employees use their phone for things they don't want the company to observe? Phones are cheap.
Would you be ok with them taking away the break room if such discussions were happening in the break room?
If a company goes above and beyond the requirements of the law and then removes that perk, I don’t see any legal issue with that.
As long as they’re not a monopoly, the option of working for another employer is a good way of combating legal, but immoral company policies.
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I would guess it's the reverse, judging by /r/WorkReform. It's tens of thousands of people who categorically refuse to understand what employers hire people for, in principle. Some % of them does understand what a business is, why businesses hire people, and why and how our systems can be realistically reformed to improve conditions for all workers. But most people don't. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them see t…
> I would guess it's the reverse, judging by /r/WorkReform You think /r/WorkReform is highly representative of an entire working class?
It sounds like its an internal chat app, presumably meant for business. If people were openly talking about "slave labor" and "vaccine" on any public company slack channels, I would think they'd shut it down at most organizations. I don't think you're allowed to use company time to organize. I don't think its unreasonable to make people work when they're on the clock and remove distractions. Many are used to comforta…
When we asked our customers what this preference was about, it came down to that this "felt better" for employees and blocking felt too draconian.
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> I don't think its unreasonable to make people work when they're on the clock and remove distractions. I find that generally the kind of person who says such things is the kind of person who has a comfortable job where they can post memes on slack or comment on social media during the working day.
I would bet if you did a survey and asked whether you think it's appropriate to post spicy memes and organize against your employer on the company's time and systems you'd see a clear correlation with income levels. The lower the income the more bizarre they would consider that behavior
Perhaps we should conclude that blind servitude is a bad idea and one should not allow onceself to be exploited.