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Re: Steve Jobs’ best is yet to come

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Post by yalimgerger » Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 9:21 AM UTC

NameNickHN wrote: post #18

What a load of crap. "Siri [...] will be remembered as his latest and greatest gift to mankind." Seriously?

Yes, seriously. Siri is not voice recognition. Siri is not restaurant recommendation. Siri is A.I. I speculate that Apple is on the verge of making A.I. commonly available. I am sure you can imagine the possibilities. I speculate that this will change our lives as much as Internet has. In a not so distant future, we will look at the day Siri was announced as the moment in history it all began.

Re: Steve Jobs’ best is yet to come

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Post by ajack » Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 11:03 AM UTC

yalimgerger wrote: post #21

NameNickHN wrote: post #18

What a load of crap. "Siri [...] will be remembered as his latest and greatest gift to mankind." Seriously?

Yes, seriously. Siri is not voice recognition. Siri is not restaurant recommendation. Siri is A.I. I speculate that Apple is on the verge of making A.I. commonly available. I am sure you can imagine the possibilities. I speculate that this will change our lives as much as Internet has. In a not so distant future, we will look at the day Siri was announced as the moment in history it all began.

Are...are you Siri?

Re: Steve Jobs’ best is yet to come

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Post by Geee » Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 11:21 AM UTC

ghshephard wrote: post #6

yalimkgerger wrote: post #5

Hi. Author here. I am aware that Siri is not started at Apple. However, the point is that it will be finished by Apple. Steve Jobs did not invent cell phones, tablets or PC's for that matter, either. But he made them better. The same will happen to Siri.

Well - a good test would be for someone to survey the population today, see what percentage of them are happy with their voice activated personal assistants, then do so a year, two, five from now and see how the numbers change. The challenging part, as always will be to understand what percentage of this technology would have been deployed regardless of what Apple did, and whether it would have been deployed with the…

As far as I know, Siri doesn't have hard-coded voice commands, like 'SEND TEXT TO PAUL' articulated in a robotic voice. It aims to understands natural language with infinite variations.

One of the examples was: 'Do I need a raincoat today?' and you can continue 'How about tomorrow?' or 'where can I buy one?', and Siri understands the context. This is far far more advanced than any 'voice control' there is, and gives just a glimpse of what's coming.

Re: Steve Jobs’ best is yet to come

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Post by amatheus » Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 1:01 PM UTC

yalimgerger wrote: post #15

melvinram wrote: post #2

Siri will likely have a much larger impact on the future of technology than any other thing if it is indeed as efficient as it has been portrayed to be... but I'm not sure if the credit really belongs to Steve. The core tech was built else where, integrated with iOS by others, bought by Steve and added deeper into iOS by others. I'm a big Steve Jobs fan but this article might be "reaching" in it's premise. Feel free…

I am aware of Siri's history. Tablets, phones, personal computers are other peoples creation as well. Steve Jobs did...whatever he did to them. The same will happen with A.I. Sadly, he won't be with us when it all happens. But you should see the YouTube video where Mossberg and Jobs talk about Siri. Mossberg keeps saying that Siri is search. Steve keeps correcting him. No, Siri is A.I. Siri is A.I. You should see the…

Not that I am saying you're wrong, but he could be denying this to avoid giving a tip to Google, couldn't he?

Re: Steve Jobs’ best is yet to come

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Post by melvinram » Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 7:48 PM UTC

yalimgerger wrote: post #15

melvinram wrote: post #2

Siri will likely have a much larger impact on the future of technology than any other thing if it is indeed as efficient as it has been portrayed to be... but I'm not sure if the credit really belongs to Steve. The core tech was built else where, integrated with iOS by others, bought by Steve and added deeper into iOS by others. I'm a big Steve Jobs fan but this article might be "reaching" in it's premise. Feel free…

I am aware of Siri's history. Tablets, phones, personal computers are other peoples creation as well. Steve Jobs did...whatever he did to them. The same will happen with A.I. Sadly, he won't be with us when it all happens. But you should see the YouTube video where Mossberg and Jobs talk about Siri. Mossberg keeps saying that Siri is search. Steve keeps correcting him. No, Siri is A.I. Siri is A.I. You should see the…

Siri is not analogous to tablets, phones, etc.

For example, cellphones existed before Steve pushed to build the iPhone but something like the iPhone didn't exist.

Siri existed in near the same form pre iPhone 4S. It's the same Siri, just with deeper integration and the Apple finish.

Re: Steve Jobs’ best is yet to come

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Post by NameNickHN » Sat, Oct 08, 2011, 9:57 AM UTC

yalimgerger wrote: post #21

NameNickHN wrote: post #18

What a load of crap. "Siri [...] will be remembered as his latest and greatest gift to mankind." Seriously?

Yes, seriously. Siri is not voice recognition. Siri is not restaurant recommendation. Siri is A.I. I speculate that Apple is on the verge of making A.I. commonly available. I am sure you can imagine the possibilities. I speculate that this will change our lives as much as Internet has. In a not so distant future, we will look at the day Siri was announced as the moment in history it all began.

You mean there is only one company on the planet that has mastered A.I. and the only thing they're using it for is voice controlling a telephone?

Re: Steve Jobs’ best is yet to come

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Post by yalimkgerger » Sat, Oct 08, 2011, 3:35 PM UTC

melvinram wrote: post #25

yalimgerger wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am aware of Siri's history. Tablets, phones, personal computers are other peoples creation as well. Steve Jobs did...whatever he did to them. The same will happen with A.I. Sadly, he won't be with us when it all happens. But you should see the YouTube video where Mossberg and Jobs talk about Siri. Mossberg keeps saying that Siri is search. Steve keeps correcting him. No, Siri is A.I. Siri is A.I. You should see the…

Siri is not analogous to tablets, phones, etc. For example, cellphones existed before Steve pushed to build the iPhone but something like the iPhone didn't exist. Siri existed in near the same form pre iPhone 4S. It's the same Siri, just with deeper integration and the Apple finish.

The Apple finish being the operative words here...Or the Apple start should I say...

Re: Steve Jobs’ best is yet to come

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Post by yalimkgerger » Sun, Oct 09, 2011, 12:23 PM UTC

NameNickHN wrote: post #26

yalimgerger wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, seriously. Siri is not voice recognition. Siri is not restaurant recommendation. Siri is A.I. I speculate that Apple is on the verge of making A.I. commonly available. I am sure you can imagine the possibilities. I speculate that this will change our lives as much as Internet has. In a not so distant future, we will look at the day Siri was announced as the moment in history it all began.

You mean there is only one company on the planet that has mastered A.I. and the only thing they're using it for is voice controlling a telephone?

Clearly, some other company can beat Apple in this game. But what I am speculating is that A.I. is going to be the next big thing. Siri is the first mainstream use of A.I. Even if another company might be the winner in the A.I. race which just began, Siri's public introduction will be remembered much like Apple II's or the first Mac's.

Re: Steve Jobs’ best is yet to come

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Post by foobarbazetc » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 2:21 AM UTC

yalimgerger wrote: post #13

foobarbazetc wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering that Siri has been available on the App Store for a while, and no one really cared, I doubt it.

Tablets were a disaster before iPad. Smartphones were ridiculous prior to iPhone. Siri will have the same effect on A.I.

I'm all about the iPad and iPhone, but Siri is not going to achieve that sort of success for a lot of reasons. Just wait and see. :)

Re: Steve Jobs’ best is yet to come

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Post by foobarbazetc » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 2:23 AM UTC

mrich wrote: post #11

foobarbazetc wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering that Siri has been available on the App Store for a while, and no one really cared, I doubt it.

The key point here is integration though. Just putting a speech recognition app on a phone isn't doing much. But making sure the most common cases you are going to be using it for, e.g. appointments/reminders, searching for specific things, finding a nearby hotel etc. work reliably no matter in what way you phrase it, is the part that makes it really useful. Also consider how you can make sure this works as expected…

The point is, you could already integrate with Maps/Calendar/Address Book etc from the app.

Yes, the integrated Siri is going to be better, but is it going to blow your mind and revolutionise the world? No. Get back to me when it can understand a non-Germanic language.