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Study Tips from Richard Feynman

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There's the famous Feynman method i.e. Study hard, Teach it to others, Identify the gaps in your own knowledge, and Simplify/Synthesize. But people often also forget that there is another method associated with Feynman aka The Feynman Algorithm (which was outlined by his colleague Murray Gell-Mann, a noble prize winning physicist himself). This method goes as follows: 1. Write down the problem. 2. Think real hard. 3.…

A lot of his intellectual capacity seems to come from his ability to visualize a problem and make something difficult and complicated easier to conceptualize. He credits his dad with showing him how to visialize a problem, but he definitely refined the ability and trained his intuition for non-intuitive problems.

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There's the famous Feynman method i.e. Study hard, Teach it to others, Identify the gaps in your own knowledge, and Simplify/Synthesize. But people often also forget that there is another method associated with Feynman aka The Feynman Algorithm (which was outlined by his colleague Murray Gell-Mann, a noble prize winning physicist himself). This method goes as follows: 1. Write down the problem. 2. Think real hard. 3.…

> Teach it to others If there's no one around, try explaining it to yourself. An easy method to determine whether you superficially understood a topic or not. After reading some material, it's remarkable how little of it you've truly understood sometimes.

Teachers, Professors, and TAs may have prepared a quiz for us: to test the knowledge of others in order to help them feel learned in application.

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There's the famous Feynman method i.e. Study hard, Teach it to others, Identify the gaps in your own knowledge, and Simplify/Synthesize. But people often also forget that there is another method associated with Feynman aka The Feynman Algorithm (which was outlined by his colleague Murray Gell-Mann, a noble prize winning physicist himself). This method goes as follows: 1. Write down the problem. 2. Think real hard. 3.…

A lot of his intellectual capacity seems to come from his ability to visualize a problem and make something difficult and complicated easier to conceptualize. He credits his dad with showing him how to visialize a problem, but he definitely refined the ability and trained his intuition for non-intuitive problems.

His dad asked Richard to teach him calculus, but just couldn't get it. Still, the idea of an adult wanting to learn something like calculus shows me he was a smart guy.

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There's the famous Feynman method i.e. Study hard, Teach it to others, Identify the gaps in your own knowledge, and Simplify/Synthesize. But people often also forget that there is another method associated with Feynman aka The Feynman Algorithm (which was outlined by his colleague Murray Gell-Mann, a noble prize winning physicist himself). This method goes as follows: 1. Write down the problem. 2. Think real hard. 3.…

>Not to discount or discredit anything (or anyone) here but we must understand that Feynman was no average person and that his advice on anything related to learning or problem-solving must be viewed through an optics that adequately adjusts for his intellect as well.

I wonder about this a little. Let's assume the premise, Feynman was "no average person". To what extent is this explained by the hardware, as it were, between his ears and to what extent the software he was running? The way he approached puzzles, problems and so on throughout his life from a very early age influencing the functioning of that hardware? It seems to me he had some impressive sounding intellectual programming going on, much of which he was doing himself, when I listen to his stories of his childhood.

Michael Jordan was pretty good at a particular sport. He was "no ordinary person" and obviously so - he's 6 ft 7 or so which makes him an outlier in just that one dimension of his genetics, ie his hardware (and no doubt some others too, just that one is measurable in a clear and obvious way). If I wanted to play "like Mike" I can forget about it and there was nothing I could have done or that could have been done for me, or to me while I was growing up and after that would make any meaningful difference. Is that statement true of every single person reading this comment? I am in no way discounting Michael Jordan's work ethic, competitive drive & basketball decision making study and genius, I'm just noting if I had all those and had them to a greater extent that Jordan (if such a thing is possible - I have no clue) I still would not play like him, I had literally zero chance.

Is the same true of Feynman? I don't think it's a question that can be answered with anything much more than "belief" and prejudice. Psychology is probably the academic field that might address this and the question is too complex & sophisticated to get a good answer so much so that we have seen rather a lot of utterly discredited, appallingly bad answers that have gained traction over the years. Too many factors that cannot be controlled for. Too much that cannot be measured. Given that, if we believe Feynman had the genetics the way Jordan did as a necessary condition of whatever we're calling success, and it's reasonable to believe that, we still must have a doubt about it.

Beyond that, we don't know how many other humans have or had a "Jordan like" body who did not go on to his levels of achievement and if there are any or many, why they did not which would tell us something about the worth of potentially controllable factors - eg training & study. And yet when we try to achieve something with our physical strength, stamina and so on, listening to Jordan on his training regime is probably useful - unless you're getting something equally good, somewhere else (which is very readily available). Physical training regimes seem to have had a lot of work put into their analysis and we can probably all talk meaningfully about some aspects of achieving better physical fitness than we currently have. Is the same true for training our brains? Listening to anyone who has done impressive things with their brain on the topic of how they prepared seems quite worthwhile to me. Contextualizing their thoughts also seems worthwhile. We genuinely do not /know/ what makes a person into someone with Feynman's intellectual abilities. So as far as listening and trying what he recommends? What else do you have? Why do you think it's better? What is he recommending that would only work for someone with better hardware between their ears that we have? How could we get meaningful metrics on any of it if we can at all?

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A lot of his intellectual capacity seems to come from his ability to visualize a problem and make something difficult and complicated easier to conceptualize. He credits his dad with showing him how to visialize a problem, but he definitely refined the ability and trained his intuition for non-intuitive problems.

His dad asked Richard to teach him calculus, but just couldn't get it. Still, the idea of an adult wanting to learn something like calculus shows me he was a smart guy.

I was thinking of his dad describing a giraffe to him from a book when he was really young, and then describing the length of its neck and how it would allow it to poke its head into his upstairs bedroom window. He said things like this put him on the path to visualize things. Maybe when you're a kid, certain things set you off on certain paths that you take, and some of those paths are profitable (I don't mean this in a strictly monetary sense). Feynman latched onto that and rode it (with some natural ability) for his whole life. Other people might have been able to do the same thing, but they never would have latched onto it as a kid and refined it.

I think we'd have better thinkers in the future if we put more focus on refining abilities in kids like visualization of problems, or giving them different tactics to approach things they don't understand.

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his humbleness is why he's so popular. But you don't win Putnam by studying. you got to be really brilliant too.

Well if you consider him brilliant then perhaps you would believe him when he says that talent isn't nearly as important as studying.

Lots of people study really hard. Few go on to become Feynman.

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Richard Feynman might disagree. https://youtu.be/IIDLcaQVMqw

his humbleness is why he's so popular. But you don't win Putnam by studying. you got to be really brilliant too.

You don't actually know this. I acknowledge it might be true but it also might not. How do you know what you're calling brilliance isn't a different kind of study, for example? Feynman suggests he got a buzz out of puzzles his whole life from a very early age and sought them out. With his local reputation among family, friends, school others brought them to him as well. He did inter-school stand-up math competitions, if I remember that story correctly, and described how he learned to "relax into the solution" not try to force it but look at it in a different way until it just all falls out and so on.

Then he also studied math and then won the Putnum. How would he have gone without doing all that "non-study" about problem solving and looking at problems from different ways and just doing math quite well? Maybe he was so brilliant he still would have won? I suspect not. How many others sitting for the Putnum had done similar amounts of the same quality work by way of preparation?

Genius? Or learned and honed? Both? In what proportions? Whatever I think about it is "Just like my opinion, man." Right?

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I think there are some (perhaps many) people who just don't have this level of passion in themselves. When I was younger, I liked working in software. It was fun, and interesting, but did I "love" it? Honestly I don't think so. Looking back on my time as a student, I can't think of any subject that I loved so much that that studying was something I wanted to do. It was always a chore, always something I did because i…

> Everything I do day-to-day is either stuff that I need to do to pay the bills and support my family That's the universal trap. > people like Feynman are born with a burning passion for learning that most people just don't have. I am not sure about that. I'd say most people lose sight of their true passion. Mine happened to be programming, which now helps me pay my bills. But I'd be screwed if my true passion was dr…

> if you were older (say 80), what would yo regret not having even tried ?

I would imagine it would be the same answer as today: nothing comes to mind. I honestly cannot think of anything that I regret never trying. I mean, it seems almost tautological. If I had that much of a drive and/or passion for something, I would have tried it or be doing it.

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There's the famous Feynman method i.e. Study hard, Teach it to others, Identify the gaps in your own knowledge, and Simplify/Synthesize. But people often also forget that there is another method associated with Feynman aka The Feynman Algorithm (which was outlined by his colleague Murray Gell-Mann, a noble prize winning physicist himself). This method goes as follows: 1. Write down the problem. 2. Think real hard. 3.…

> Feynman was no average person and that his advice on anything related to learning or problem-solving must be viewed through an optics that adequately adjusts for his intellect as well.

I wasn't planning to work on models of fundamental physics.

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