SerenityOS Browser now passes the Acid3 test

Post by niutech » Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 10:30 PM UTC

oscargrouch wrote: post #145

userbinator wrote: post #143

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The point is that a lot of sites out there don't need anything more than the web tech of 2 decades ago. With more people being aware of that and using browsers like this, the Google monopoly may weaken. I make it a point to complain whenever some site I need to use changes in the direction of Google's desires and becomes less browser-agnostic. It has had mixed results, but I suspect if a company is losing customers b…

> The point is that a lot of sites out there don't need anything more than the web tech of 2 decades ago. With more people being aware of that and using browsers like this, the Google monopoly may weaken. I always thought this was a way to get out of this, that agrees with your vision. First you'll need a powerful force to take back control on defining web standards. This new web standard would be a very simplistic o…

Post by niutech » Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 10:36 PM UTC

woojoo666 wrote: post #160

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The problem is: who's gonna use it? Sure, it's good to have more options but, the deploy base of browsers like Chrome are massive and IE6 only lost its position by being careless and stop evolving (and lets not forget it took years), which is something that is not happening with Chrome. Just to make clear, this is not specifically directed to you or your project, which is a great thing to do independently of the outc…

I think browsers are comparable to operating systems, and if we look at the richness of the Linux ecosystem, I'd say it can't hurt to have a few more browsers and browser engines. For example, most users wouldn't see the utility of Arch linux. And yet Arch linux is the backbone of Docker. Perhaps a new browser engine can fill a similar niche, targeting low resource usage and light browsing

Post by queuebert » Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 5:19 AM UTC

kragen wrote: post #149

queuebert wrote: post #54

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That's pretty dumb grading. Why not flip the sense of the assert for those three tests?

It's useful for statements like "Firefox 2.0 got 82/100 on the Acid3 test" to have truth-values that don't change over time. The Acid3 test is an important part of the history of the Web, and rewriting history is repugnant.

Post by easrng » Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 6:04 AM UTC

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DOM nodes are mutable and have parent pointers, so there's no way to share structure between duplicated parts of the element tree; JS might mutate them to no longer be duplicates. NodeLists like the .childNodes property (but not the results of, say, .querySelectorAll) are required to be "live", magically updating when you change the document; this code produces 1 even though there's no explicit mutation of c: let d =…

I missed the editing window, but here's a simple example of ElementTree in Python; consider what it would take to do this in JS with the DOM if you had to implement .innerText yourself: >>> from xml.etree import ElementTree >>> def text(e): ... return (e.text or '') + ''.join( text(kid) for kid in e.getchildren()) + (e.tail or '') ... >>> text(ElementTree.fromstring(' My Malamute is really hairy. ')) 'My Malamute is…

  function getText(node, returnArray){
    const a = Array.prototype.map.call(node.childNodes, e=>e.nodeType==3?e.data:getText(e, true))
    return returnArray?a:a.flat(Infinity).join("")
  }

  let getText=(n,f=(n,a)=>[].map.call(n.childNodes,e=>e.nodeType==3?e.data:f(e,1)))=>f(n,f).flat(1e333).join("")

Post by kragen » Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 6:33 PM UTC

niutech wrote: post #165

kragen wrote: post #60

That's wonderful! How much RAM does it need? My biggest complaint about modern browsers is that I can't load a web page in less than 64 MiB, which is more than my entire computer had when I was running Netscape 3. The browsers are better now, but not in ways that necessarily use more memory.

Try Ultralight web engine or K-Meleon on Goanna, they are really lightweight.