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Re: Tell HN: Edward Snowden hasn't tweeted since Russian invasion of Ukraine started

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If Edward Snowden hasn’t illustrated enough conviction to meet your standards, I am aching to learn who has. He sacrificed his entire livelihood for his fellow Americans, yet whose most honorable efforts have still had no measurable political impact despite being the most important media story in the past decade, opting against sacrificing the fleeting bits of life he has left to call his own in the name of yet anoth…

I am not saying Snowden is not honorable. He has done the world a great service at great personal sacrifice. I implied he may not have the courage of his convictions regarding current events in Ukraine. Yes, I want more from Snowden. I know I am not entitled to more, but I still want it.

>Yes, I want more from Snowden.

Why though? We didn't do anything with what he gave us. He gave up a normal life to give us all of the evidence we needed to prove all of the things we always suspected and... crickets. Nothing changed. Neither party cares, they both call him an enemy of the state. Even Trump with his fake war against the Deep State, didn't pardon him when he had the chance.

Turns out, we didn't deserve Snowden.

Re: Tell HN: Edward Snowden hasn't tweeted since Russian invasion of Ukraine started

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Always looked at him as an anti-governmental corruption and abuse advocate... it feels weird he hasn't said a word since Russian invasion in Ukraine started...

He did say a word since the invasion started: "I'm not suspended from the ceiling above a barrel of acid by a rope that burns a little faster every time I tweet, you concern-trolling ghouls. I've just lost any confidence I had that sharing my thinking on this particular topic continues to be useful, because I called it wrong." By "called it wrong", he means this, from February 11: "So... if nobody shows up for the in…

This supports the theory that Putin is a) a rational actor who was b) fed bad information about Ukraine's political disposition, and so c) appeared to act irrationally. Snowden knew a, didn't know b, and then felt rebuked by c. I would tell him: it's okay, Ed, how could you have known?

Re: Tell HN: Edward Snowden hasn't tweeted since Russian invasion of Ukraine started

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not saying Snowden is not honorable. He has done the world a great service at great personal sacrifice. I implied he may not have the courage of his convictions regarding current events in Ukraine. Yes, I want more from Snowden. I know I am not entitled to more, but I still want it.

In the previous event his great personal sacrifice made a difference becasue he has some secret information. In this event, he has no information that is not widely available, so another great personal sacrifice will achieve nothing.

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Re: Tell HN: Edward Snowden hasn't tweeted since Russian invasion of Ukraine started

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not saying Snowden is not honorable. He has done the world a great service at great personal sacrifice. I implied he may not have the courage of his convictions regarding current events in Ukraine. Yes, I want more from Snowden. I know I am not entitled to more, but I still want it.

>Yes, I want more from Snowden. Why though? We didn't do anything with what he gave us. He gave up a normal life to give us all of the evidence we needed to prove all of the things we always suspected and... crickets . Nothing changed. Neither party cares, they both call him an enemy of the state. Even Trump with his fake war against the Deep State, didn't pardon him when he had the chance. Turns out, we didn't deser…

I’m starting to wonder why Americans think he did what he did. Is it possible that most Americans just think he was trying to become famous or some kind of career-martyr? Are we that broken?

Re: Tell HN: Edward Snowden hasn't tweeted since Russian invasion of Ukraine started

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not saying Snowden is not honorable. He has done the world a great service at great personal sacrifice. I implied he may not have the courage of his convictions regarding current events in Ukraine. Yes, I want more from Snowden. I know I am not entitled to more, but I still want it.

>Yes, I want more from Snowden. Why though? We didn't do anything with what he gave us. He gave up a normal life to give us all of the evidence we needed to prove all of the things we always suspected and... crickets . Nothing changed. Neither party cares, they both call him an enemy of the state. Even Trump with his fake war against the Deep State, didn't pardon him when he had the chance. Turns out, we didn't deser…

I could not agree more. We have absolutely failed him.

Re: Tell HN: Edward Snowden hasn't tweeted since Russian invasion of Ukraine started

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post #21

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> Many services exist now that are because of the revelations That's the narrative but doesn't really hold up to scrutiny. > Signal Moxie's original encrypted messaging apps date back to 2010 and Open Whisper was officially started in Jan 2013. > Matrix Came out of an effort to build a unified communications suite for corporations. > Cryptomator Never heard of it. More widely used solutions like Attic/Borg have been…

Matrix actually came out of frustration from implementing RCS, and wondering if we could do better. There was no influence from Snowden; the reason that Matrix is E2EE is just common sense to avoid smearing plaintext data everywhere.

Thanks for the correction!

Re: Tell HN: Edward Snowden hasn't tweeted since Russian invasion of Ukraine started

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post #21

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> Many services exist now that are because of the revelations That's the narrative but doesn't really hold up to scrutiny. > Signal Moxie's original encrypted messaging apps date back to 2010 and Open Whisper was officially started in Jan 2013. > Matrix Came out of an effort to build a unified communications suite for corporations. > Cryptomator Never heard of it. More widely used solutions like Attic/Borg have been…

It can be argued Snowden's disclosures have accelerated adoption of such privacy tools.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

Re: Tell HN: Edward Snowden hasn't tweeted since Russian invasion of Ukraine started

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Does anybody know why he ended up in Russia? Are there really no other countries that will not deport you to the US? I think I would probably pick Cuba, for instance, over Russia.

He did pick Cuba! If I recall correctly he was flying from Hong Kong to Cuba and the US canceled his passport on the layover in Russia, stranding him there.

Re: Tell HN: Edward Snowden hasn't tweeted since Russian invasion of Ukraine started

#49
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What do you expect him to say? He is in Russia. If he says something against the war in Ukraine, he is being arrested because it is illegal in Russia to be against the war, you are not allowed even to call it a war. If he is arrested, in the best case he will be deported and then goes to jail in the US. In the worst case, he is put in jail in Russia next to Navalniy. If he doesn't say anything, then apparently the on…

> he is being arrested because it is illegal in Russia to be against the war

do you have any source to support this?

I went thru most "Criminal Code of Russia" searching for anything related to war, and could not find anything in terms of even temporary jail time for speaking out against war. Many people do, in Russia, including politicians of Putin opposition and they are nor being jailed. Looks like you can get jailed for participating in a protest against war or basically against anything in Russia... but nobody is going to bother going after you because you have posted a mean tweet. And if you search Twitter there are thousands of anti-war anti-Putin tweets from Russian accounts posted for years and these accounts keep being acting and keep posting (from jail I assume???).

Re: Tell HN: Edward Snowden hasn't tweeted since Russian invasion of Ukraine started

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What do you expect him to say? He is in Russia. If he says something against the war in Ukraine, he is being arrested because it is illegal in Russia to be against the war, you are not allowed even to call it a war. If he is arrested, in the best case he will be deported and then goes to jail in the US. In the worst case, he is put in jail in Russia next to Navalniy. If he doesn't say anything, then apparently the on…

> he is being arrested because it is illegal in Russia to be against the war do you have any source to support this? I went thru most "Criminal Code of Russia" searching for anything related to war, and could not find anything in terms of even temporary jail time for speaking out against war. Many people do, in Russia, including politicians of Putin opposition and they are nor being jailed. Looks like you can get jai…

https://globalcheck.net/en twitter.com is not available in Russia. I suppose some people use VPN to access twitter.

Even google.com gave instructions to Russian translators to not call war a war fearing the safety of their workers in Russia.

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