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L.A. judge rules LGBT corporate diversity law unconstitutional

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Perhaps contemplate the reasons you have for using a throwaway account to ask this question and you may be enlightened.

Indeed. That's a separate issue for society to examine.

I think nullc is subtly pointing out that if Democrats are afraid to publicly oppose these policies, it will of course seem like all the push back is coming from Republicans.

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>In this case, you're saying that Jewish students are 11x more hard-working than Hispanic ones, and Asian students are 6x more hard-working than Black ones? Does Michael Phelps (23 Olympic gold medals) swim 23x faster than Mack Horton (1 Olympic gold medal)?

Fine. N-times more likely to be hard-working enough for the Ivy League.

Internet arguments aside, the fact that certain cultural groups push their children to study hard (and also provide them with as many resources as possible to make sure their studies are fruitful) probably is a big contributor to the disparity illustrated in your table.

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This seems like the right decision (and I'm saying this as an LGBT person). The problem is, it just doesn't seem like legislation is the right instrument for promoting diversity in boardrooms. But what is the right mechanism? I anecdotally recall studies that found organizations with greater diversity deliver better financial results, and that public companies have a responsibility to their shareholders. It's importa…

It’s also important that, at least as to racial minorities, they oppose consideration of race in hiring and promotion by large margins: https://www.vox.com/2019/5/9/18538216/diversity-workplace-pe...

> White people were the most opposed to considering race and ethnicity in hiring and promotion: 78 percent said only qualifications should be considered. But a majority of black respondents (54 percent) and Hispanic respondents (69 percent) also said race and ethnicity shouldn’t be considered.

These are policies are being driven mostly by liberal whites oh behalf of racial minorities, but those minorities themselves mostly oppose such policies.

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IMO the right mechanism is for people of [insert desired demographic] to start companies and make them successful.

How does that work when the demographic is extremely economically disadvantaged and has no way to earn starting capital?

You mean like Vietnamese refugees in the 1970s? Or for that matter Italians or Irish or Eastern European immigrants?

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Fine. N-times more likely to be hard-working enough for the Ivy League.

Internet arguments aside, the fact that certain cultural groups push their children to study hard (and also provide them with as many resources as possible to make sure their studies are fruitful) probably is a big contributor to the disparity illustrated in your table.

It does not seem to have helped non-Jewish whites any, compared to Blacks and Hispanics.

I guess it's a very special kind of studiousness whites have - one that helps with SAT scores, but not Ivy League admissions: https://www.brookings.edu/research/race-gaps-in-sat-scores-h...

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Indeed. That's a separate issue for society to examine.

I think nullc is subtly pointing out that if Democrats are afraid to publicly oppose these policies, it will of course seem like all the push back is coming from Republicans.

Exactly.

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Great; I definitely do not accept that, and in fact it’s pretty trivially false even if you can’t really prove it.

to begin with, that's logically false [unless u mean it's undecideable which is a vanishingly small probability] i also have no interest in replying to flame bait

Please explain your logic. Are you saying that someone’s contribution to the company is: A.) mathematically exact (lol) B.) not dependent on their team dynamics?

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"The sum of its parts" is a very opaque phrase here. But even without defining it, anyone with work experience has some understanding of the effect of workplace dynamics, environmental factors, office morale, and other intangible influences on one's productivity and hence, the business's success. In other words, there are emergent properties in the calculus of success, and pursuing diversity is one way of trying to c…

Sorry, you put a lot of buzzwords there, but buzzwords do not constitute any proof. It's certainly true in low-skill businesses like , i dunno, agriculture that production scales linearly. If nonlinear interactions occur it would be interesting to name them, instead of attributing it to some kind of magic ether. I dont like this completely vague explanation because it's exactly the rhetoric that people mock when they…

Then let’s hear some hard logic. You’ve presented literally nothing.

If the best response you have is handwaving team dynamics as a buzzword, and pretending its not a real and tangible thing, go to work and start abusing all of your coworkers and see if their performance remains consistent.

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> Why would anybody pro abortion? There are many reasons. In the case that carrying a fetus to term would kill the mother: abort. One life does not merit the safety of another. In the case that a fetus was conceived in rape: abort. Would you remind yourself, and even be beholden to, evil? In the case that a fetus would be born unwanted: abort. It is better to be born into a loving family than raised in orphanages or…

Why do you need those reasons? It doesn't like pro-abortion, it's anti-abortion by limiting its use cases. If you are pro-abortion, you would happily suggest any pregnant women to abort their babies.

> Why do you need those reasons?

I don't. You asked why would anyone. I just presented some reasons that I know my lady friends have stated.

I do, in fact, think that you don't "need" any reason whatsoever. I think a woman has every right to choose whether or not to have a baby including to abort a baby for any reason or even for no reason.

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