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L.A. judge rules LGBT corporate diversity law unconstitutional
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#32This seems like the right decision (and I'm saying this as an LGBT person). The problem is, it just doesn't seem like legislation is the right instrument for promoting diversity in boardrooms. But what is the right mechanism? I anecdotally recall studies that found organizations with greater diversity deliver better financial results, and that public companies have a responsibility to their shareholders. It's importa…
I anecdotally recall studies that found organizations with greater diversity deliver better financial results
Seems to not make much difference in financial results, either way. Wharton study:[1]
[1] https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/will-gender-dive...
Re: L.A. judge rules LGBT corporate diversity law unconstitutional
#33This seems like the right decision (and I'm saying this as an LGBT person). The problem is, it just doesn't seem like legislation is the right instrument for promoting diversity in boardrooms. But what is the right mechanism? I anecdotally recall studies that found organizations with greater diversity deliver better financial results, and that public companies have a responsibility to their shareholders. It's importa…
I’ve never really understood the diversity thing. Why should it be more desirable to hire me because I was born in this place or that?
Is the native part of me more deserving of a contract than the Latin part?
If I was with a guy the night before instead of a woman am I more beneficial to a company? Am I even more valuable on the odd night I’m with a trans person?
Am I more beneficial with my Paraguayan passport instead of a Canadian passport?
Diversity should just be called what it is, bigotry.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I anecdotally recall studies that found organizations with greater diversity deliver better financial results People also tout these studies for getting more women in business leadership. in reality that's a weird argument, women or lgbt or people of color don't need to be better in order to be accepted, they should be accepted by default. Maybe business culture with its rigid and often stupid conventions and deman…
>in reality that's a weird argument, women or lgbt or people of color don't need to be better in order to be accepted, they should be accepted by default. In reality every non-majority demographic has to be better in order to be accepted. They often have to work harder just to reach the default that the majority takes for granted, because that system works with the majority, and against everyone else.
Do they? Here is the composition of Ivy League non-international students, courtesy of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30338742:
Ivy League US Ratio
Jewish 17.2% 2.4% 7.16
Asian 19.6% 5.3% 3.71
White (incl. Jewish) 50.3% 61.5% 0.82
Hispanic 11.4% 17.6% 0.65
Black 7.8% 12.7% 0.61
White (non-Jewish) 33.1% 59.1% 0.56Re: L.A. judge rules LGBT corporate diversity law unconstitutional
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having successful parents is equally random for everyone, isn't?
Not with other systemic issues.
Anybody up for an argument that the government should have custody of and raise all children? I know that’s a non-starter, but if you want to level the playing field for all kids, this is how you do it. Outside of that, you are leaving children to whatever shitty situation they didn’t ask to be born into.
I’m not saying I’m for this. I’m not and you would have to kill me to get to my kids. Just seems like the most logical solution to an otherwise impossible problem.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
>in reality that's a weird argument, women or lgbt or people of color don't need to be better in order to be accepted, they should be accepted by default. In reality every non-majority demographic has to be better in order to be accepted. They often have to work harder just to reach the default that the majority takes for granted, because that system works with the majority, and against everyone else.
Do they? Here is the composition of Ivy League non-international students, courtesy of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30338742 : Ivy League US Ratio Jewish 17.2% 2.4% 7.16 Asian 19.6% 5.3% 3.71 White (incl. Jewish) 50.3% 61.5% 0.82 Hispanic 11.4% 17.6% 0.65 Black 7.8% 12.7% 0.61 White (non-Jewish) 33.1% 59.1% 0.56
what'd those numbers look like in 1980 no reason just curious.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does that work when the demographic is extremely economically disadvantaged and has no way to earn starting capital?
Why would that be the case? AFAIK it's equally probable for a woman/gay/trans person to be born in a wealthy family or a poor family.
Are you actually serious?
We are obviously not talking about being born into wealth. Middle-class people still need to accumulate capital first, generally by working, something that's not always possible (for an extreme example, take e.g. ~90% unemployment rate for autistic college grads).
Even if we were talking about wealthy families, that doesn't count out being disowned, etc. for being gay or transgender.
In any case, check out these links: https://theconversation.com/transgender-americans-are-more-l...
https://nwlc.org/income-security-is-elusive-for-many-transge...
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
>in reality that's a weird argument, women or lgbt or people of color don't need to be better in order to be accepted, they should be accepted by default. In reality every non-majority demographic has to be better in order to be accepted. They often have to work harder just to reach the default that the majority takes for granted, because that system works with the majority, and against everyone else.
Do they? Here is the composition of Ivy League non-international students, courtesy of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30338742 : Ivy League US Ratio Jewish 17.2% 2.4% 7.16 Asian 19.6% 5.3% 3.71 White (incl. Jewish) 50.3% 61.5% 0.82 Hispanic 11.4% 17.6% 0.65 Black 7.8% 12.7% 0.61 White (non-Jewish) 33.1% 59.1% 0.56
Which column identifies how hard people in any of these demographics worked to achieve this outcome?
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does that work when the demographic is extremely economically disadvantaged and has no way to earn starting capital?
Why would that be the case? AFAIK it's equally probable for a woman/gay/trans person to be born in a wealthy family or a poor family.
The US has a recent history of racial discrimination that prevented a lot of people from building wealth in their communities or generational wealth. Not that there aren't a shit ton of white people living in trailer parks, but no one was denying them home loans because of the color of their skin.
So, if owning your own home is a big part of your wealth over a life time, and your parents and their parents were discriminated against and prevented from accessing those mechanisms, it makes it much less likely that you will today be born in a wealthy or a poor family.
Look up redlining on wikipedia if you want specifics.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does that work when the demographic is extremely economically disadvantaged and has no way to earn starting capital?
Why would that be the case? AFAIK it's equally probable for a woman/gay/trans person to be born in a wealthy family or a poor family.
this is mathematically similar too, and about as sensible as, statements like "it either kills me or it doesn't, so that's a 50% chance"